If Abdi had won in 51:17, would it really have made any difference? Fuck man, he won for Christ sakes.
If Abdi had won in 51:17, would it really have made any difference? Fuck man, he won for Christ sakes.
Maybe Abdi should get on the same drugs as Tergat. That should level the playing field.
Dick Trickle wrote:
Maurice Green's 100m pace is Jeff Gordon's hazard lap pace.
The state of U.S. NASCAR
My roommate's sitting-on-his-ass-eating-potato-chips pace is an F-15/E's pace when refueling.
The state of the U.S. military.
Best / Most relevent post of the day.
Dick Trickle wrote:
Maurice Green's 100m pace is Jeff Gordon's hazard lap pace.
The state of U.S. NASCAR
My roommate's sitting-on-his-ass-eating-potato-chips pace is an F-15/E's pace when refueling.
The state of the U.S. military.
Hah! You win funny post of the day.
First of all:
Yes, we know Tergat is faster than Abdi. That is why he is the wr holder at 1/2 maratrhon and marathon. I thought we already knew this before Saturday's race, but thanks for the earth-shattering news.
Please try to use a little insight before making such a bold statement. You sound like a highschool student writing an argument paper and looking for any facts that might remotely back their claim. The Berlin course is a pancake, basically like running on a track. If I'm not mistaken, Berlin is an even faster course than London and Chicago, two very fast courses in their own right.
Papa John's course, on the other hand is not lightning fast. There are a steady stream of hills from mile 3-6, not to mention an uphill in the 10th mile and a good chunck of the rest of the course is either a slight downhill or a slight uphill. If you put Abdi on the Berlin course and had him race 10 miles, his pace would be much faster. Obviously not so fast that he would be on par with Tergat, but probably at least 5 sec/mile faster, which is a big difference in such a long race.
I'm not trying to say that Abdi is as good as Tergat, and I'm not trying to make excuses for him or American distance running, but you are exaggerating the situation. We all know Tergat is much better than Abdi, but his marathon pace is not Abdi's 10 mile pace.
scooby doo wrote:
The best marathon runners will go through 10miles relatively close to their PB.
If Tergat goes through the 10mi, as close to PR pace(or even half-marathon pace).
he would blow the world record completely out of the water.
Marathon specific runners MAY go through the ten mile at around their PR, but im sorry if Tergat went through at even his Half PR , he would die/bonk.
Ten Miles is run right around LT, if not just a tid bit under. It is not really an issue of pace but stammina, most of the top guys have the stammina to run almost allout at near ten mile pace for the full 26.2
SolMelRichards wrote:
Ten Miles is run right around LT, if not just a tid bit under. It is not really an issue of pace but stammina, most of the top guys have the stammina to run almost allout at near ten mile pace for the full 26.2
Ok look, im a big Tergat fan.
but there is no chance in hell, that he could run NEAR 1:58 in the marathon.
I MIGHT i almost see were your comeing from, but also keep in mind, there glycogen stores will last them throough 10mi, but not 26.2.
A significant percentage of you idiot are sensitive pansies who lack literacy to any appreciable degree.
The point was to highlight how incredible Tergat's WR is and that runners over shorter distances can barely keep up with his pace even over less than half the distance.
Instead, some moron began the train of attacking Tergat's championship record, which includes 2 Olympic silvers, 1 World bronze, 2 World silvers, and 5 X-C golds, as well as one unfortunate mistake in the marathon.
Tergat has won more at a championship level than most of you likely won in consolation Little League prizes after you grounded into a triple play when you were 8.
As for the comment about U.S. running, the point is that even Abdi's fast time is not enough these days when the Kenyans are racing so spectacularly.
If you you read into this any more than the above, you either cannot actually read or are an abrasive idiot hunting for controversy and looking to pick a fight. Might I suggest taking on your pillow; that should be a fair fight.
First off let me state that I think Abdi is a great runner as is Tergat and anyone else who is getting it done.
This is more a talent/speed question. I read somewhere that the last lap of Geb's world record 10,000(I don't know which one) was faster than any US 10,000 runner for an all out 400. I am assuming it was the Olympic games bc there were Americans in the race. Is this true? If so that is amazing bc our 10,000 guys are rather quick Meb, Culpepper, Browne.
"This is more a talent/speed question. I read somewhere that the last lap of Geb's world record 10,000(I don't know which one) was faster than any US 10,000 runner for an all out 400. I am assuming it was the Olympic games bc there were Americans in the race. Is this true? If so that is amazing bc our 10,000 guys are rather quick Meb, Culpepper, Browne."
Not true. In his three 10k world record, Geb never closed faster than 55. I'm sure most of top distance guys in the U.S. can go at least 54 or faster. Culpepper has run a 3:55 mile and Browne has gone sub 4, so both guys probably could at least go 51.
Gebrselassie never ran a WR in any championship race. The fastest he has ever closed a 10K is 54.5 in 1999 in Seville. There are few American 10K runners who CANNOT run that fast for 400. Speed is not the problem; specific endurance is.
What the hell do you expect? You started this whole mess with broad strokes, ripe for interpretation, and then bitch like said "pansy" when most disagreed with you. Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Let me wipe the tear from your eye while you backpedal into your pathetic corner of life.
So Abdi's time wasn't enough when "the Kenyans are racing so spectaculary?" Wow! Hear that everybody? The Kenyans are faster than our 10m champion. Such brilliant insights. Grace us with more of your wisdom.
OK, that makes better sense. If they all have about the same quarter speed it IS more an endurance issue. Culpepper must be able to close in 54.5 it's just that Geb can run a faster pace throughout and then close that fast.
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OK, that makes better sense. If they all have about the same quarter speed it IS more an endurance issue. Culpepper must be able to close in 54.5 it's just that Geb can run a faster pace throughout and then close that fast.
Exactly. Culpepper was lapped in that race at the 23:00 mark. Had he even been able to close in 54 (he dropped out) he would have been 450m behind. The first priority is to train to be in the pack with 400m to go, then to get back the 10m Gebrselassie puts on you in the last 200.
The Bopping Elf wrote:
What the hell do you expect? You started this whole mess with broad strokes, ripe for interpretation, and then bitch like said "pansy" when most disagreed with you. Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. Let me wipe the tear from your eye while you backpedal into your pathetic corner of life.
So Abdi's time wasn't enough when "the Kenyans are racing so spectaculary?" Wow! Hear that everybody? The Kenyans are faster than our 10m champion. Such brilliant insights. Grace us with more of your wisdom.
You are an unimaginably, fantastically stupid excuse for a functional human being. I suggest you grace us with your hasty departure back to your parents' basement before you begin the next shift at McDonald's fouling up the French fries as you think dirty thoughts about the obese passerby who stop into your restaurant.
Have a nice life.
Umimaginable? Christ. You're still wielding the parent's basement/McDonald's cliche' like it's hot off the press. Go back to confusing speed and specific endurance you hack.
funny
Speed and specific endurance are really not greatly dissimilar.
One's specific endurance is better as the speed increases. If you are a 50 second 400 runner, you can run 3:35 for 1500. Your specific 1500 pace is 57+ per 400. With better speed and the same endurance (a 49) your specific 1500 pace can g to 56-point as well.
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yowsa wrote:
4:45 per mile for 10 miles for Abdi. 4:45 for 26.2 miles for Tergat.
The state of U.S. distance running.
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Maybe the course was long?