Did Sebastian Coe blood dope?

Kalla wrote:

Blood doping doesn't guarantee better performance.

I'm pretty sure Renato Canova said it helped some Italian athletes such as Alberto Cova while it lowered performances of others.

By the way, was blood doping banned in 1985 or 1986?

Were there measures in place to catch dopers in 85/86?

If you reinject stored blood into your system and don't run faster it is probably a signal that you need to give up.

My opinion was that athletes that have one off massive (but short term) gains like Viren were more suspicious than people who were consistently good. However elites only really need to be good between mid-June and early-August so a reinfusion/transfusion in early-to-mid June might lead to performance gains into mid-August.

portsea57 wrote:

At the time, it was said that the toxoplasmosis was the result of eating contaminated meat ( in Italy?).

Another reason to go vegan!

1) you can only get it from meat if it is raw or undercooked, so it's more a reason to cook your meat

2) It is actually more likely to be on fruit and vegetables (this is how livestock becomes infected with it)

So if you only eat cooked meat and avoid vegetables and fruits, that is really your best option based on how you view the world.

Oh, and don't have a pet cat, that is one of the most common vectors.

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

Kalla wrote:

Blood doping doesn't guarantee better performance.

I'm pretty sure Renato Canova said it helped some Italian athletes such as Alberto Cova while it lowered performances of others.

By the way, was blood doping banned in 1985 or 1986?

Were there measures in place to catch dopers in 85/86?

If you reinject stored blood into your system and don't run faster it is probably a signal that you need to give up.

My opinion was that athletes that have one off massive (but short term) gains like Viren were more suspicious than people who were consistently good. However elites only really need to be good between mid-June and early-August so a reinfusion/transfusion in early-to-mid June might lead to performance gains into mid-August.

Would you say Lasse Viren 100% blood doped or just on reindeer milk?

By the way, is there any source for Alberto Cova admitting to doping?

Deanouk wrote:

His longevity at the very top level lasted a lot longer than Ovett or Cram.

Not sure about Ovett as he reached the top level before Coe. Ovett won a 800m silver at the Europeans in 1974 and a Commonwealth Gold at 5000m in 1986.

Looking at Coe's championship medals spread, a European silver in 1978 and a European Gold in 1986.

Ovett had a 4 year longer spread in terms of championship medal wins.

Follow the times,

History tells us that any time that a country has had a disproportionate amount of track and field success in a given period of time there has been rampant doping associated. (Jamaican and US sprints, Chinese and Russian Mid D).

So yes I think it is highly likely that the golden era of british Mid-D when guys were putting up times that British athletes still can dream to touch was LIKELY tainted.

Doper1990 wrote:

Rumour has it that Elvis is still alive. You must be a Trump supporter. He loves the poorly educated.

You might want to check your facts, brah. Obama and Clinton's strongest base is the least educated in the country: ghettos of Baltimore, LA, Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis, Oakland, and on and on. Lowest rates of education, highest rates of crime and highest rate of support of Democrats.

Sdfsdfsdfsdfzdc wrote:

portsea57 wrote:

At the time, it was said that the toxoplasmosis was the result of eating contaminated meat ( in Italy?).

Another reason to go vegan!

1) you can only get it from meat if it is raw or undercooked, so it's more a reason to cook your meat

2) It is actually more likely to be on fruit and vegetables (this is how livestock becomes infected with it)

So if you only eat cooked meat and avoid vegetables and fruits, that is really your best option based on how you view the world.

Oh, and don't have a pet cat, that is one of the most common vectors.

Dude, the paraccite comes from animals. It may be of the surface of some veggies but that is because of the contact the veggies have with animals and their fecal matter. The parasite has nothing to do with veggies.

The bad shit you can get from eating animals is astonishing and nasty beyond belief if you care to investigate. Most don't want to know. I understand that, but it's all documented if you do want to know what you're putting in your body.

sfdhfsajdfh wrote:

Follow the times,

History tells us that any time that a country has had a disproportionate amount of track and field success in a given period of time there has been rampant doping associated. (Jamaican and US sprints, Chinese and Russian Mid D).

So yes I think it is highly likely that the golden era of british Mid-D when guys were putting up times that British athletes still can dream to touch was LIKELY tainted.

Yup. People have an uncanny ability to ignore the obvious.

unblood boosted racer wrote:

Deanouk wrote:

His longevity at the very top level lasted a lot longer than Ovett or Cram.

Not sure about Ovett as he reached the top level before Coe. Ovett won a 800m silver at the Europeans in 1974 and a Commonwealth Gold at 5000m in 1986.

Looking at Coe's championship medals spread, a European silver in 1978 and a European Gold in 1986.

Ovett had a 4 year longer spread in terms of championship medal wins.

At the elite level, Coe was European indoor 800m champion in 77, at 20, missing Grippo's WIR by 0.1, and set the outdoor UK record. He was 2nd fastest in the world over 800m in 89, at 32, and won the silver in the 1500m World Cup. No, not a championship, there weren't any that year, but the quality of the field was superior to that which Ovett faced in winning the Commonwealth 5000m in 86.

Both had 12 years at the very top, but I was really getting at the one who maintained their standards to an older age. Ovett was pretty much finished as a top 5 miler after 84, when he turned 29, although he had some success over 5k up to 86, when he was 30/31.

Coe was still in the top 3 or 4 in the world over both distances in 89, when at his best when he was 32/33.

Deanouk wrote:

At the elite level, Coe was European indoor 800m champion in 77, at 20, missing Grippo's WIR by 0.1, and set the outdoor UK record. He was 2nd fastest in the world over 800m in 89, at 32, and won the silver in the 1500m World Cup. No, not a championship, there weren't any that year, but the quality of the field was superior to that which Ovett faced in winning the Commonwealth 5000m in 86.

Both had 12 years at the very top, but I was really getting at the one who maintained their standards to an older age. Ovett was pretty much finished as a top 5 miler after 84, when he turned 29, although he had some success over 5k up to 86, when he was 30/31.

Coe was still in the top 3 or 4 in the world over both distances in 89, when at his best when he was 32/33.

I really think this depends on how you look at their careers and which performances you prefer to highlight. Ovett's 86 Commonwealth Games win is consistently underrated - he beat the European Champion that year, Jack Buckner (who went on to win bronze in the 1987 World Champs) and Tim Hutchings who had won silver in the World Cross in 1984, was 4th place in the LA games 5000m in a stellar field, and who won Bronze in the 86 Euro champs 5000m. Strangely like Coe before the 86 Commonwealths, Ovett caught 'flu before the 86 Europeans and he performed under par.

In 1988, Ovett moved back down to 1500m aged 32/33 and came closer than Coe did to making the Olympic team - he finished 4th in the final of the British trials despite having a curtailed preparation for the event. In contrast Coe did not make it past the qualifying heats at that event.

Ovett may have been less prominant at the top level over the middle distances after 1984/5 but would that not be because he was focusing on the 5000m? If Coe (as he had planned to do) had moved up to 5000m after LA, would he have continued to be dominant over the middle distances? Difficult to say.

Another interesting factoid is that Ovett set his last middle distance outdoor world record (1500m in 83) at age 27 going on 28. Coe set his last outdoor middle distance world record aged 24 going on 25.

Ovett also retired a year after Coe in 1991.

I would say they both had around 12 years at the top to be fair which was a very long time span for that era. Only someone like John Walker had a longer elite level career back then.

MD.. wrote:

Gebresellasie would be a more interesting discussion tbh

Dominated when there was no EPO test for years

Manager with connections to doping doctors linked to Fuentes

Successful businessman in very corrupt country ,so knows how to survive and do what it takes

Actually, Geb was still running pretty well up until a few years ago. I think he ran 27:20 on the track back in 2011 or so. And don't forget Berlin sub 2:04 in '08.

Another dopey Trump supporter. Get an adult to do some research for you. Ask him or her to find what Trump said on this subject on February 23, 2016. Then last him or her to look at the stats. - not filtered by Fox News. Good luck my little friend.

Kalla wrote:

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

If you reinject stored blood into your system and don't run faster it is probably a signal that you need to give up.

My opinion was that athletes that have one off massive (but short term) gains like Viren were more suspicious than people who were consistently good. However elites only really need to be good between mid-June and early-August so a reinfusion/transfusion in early-to-mid June might lead to performance gains into mid-August.

1) Would you say Lasse Viren 100% blood doped or just on reindeer milk?

2) By the way, is there any source for Alberto Cova admitting to doping?

1) ha

2) personally I don't know much about Alberto Cova, I'm an Anglo-Saxon-Celt, is there any evidence of him admitting to doping? I presume an Italian endurance athlete in the 1980s having alot of success, probably was up to no good.

John Utah wrote:

sfdhfsajdfh wrote:

Follow the times,

History tells us that any time that a country has had a disproportionate amount of track and field success in a given period of time there has been rampant doping associated. (Jamaican and US sprints, Chinese and Russian Mid D).

So yes I think it is highly likely that the golden era of british Mid-D when guys were putting up times that British athletes still can dream to touch was LIKELY tainted.

Yup. People have an uncanny ability to ignore the obvious.

^This. People = fanbois and British patriots.

Or Jamaicans in case of Bolt and Co., and Americans in case of Johnson/Lewis/Armstrong and Co.

And it's not just Brits that can't even dream of touching Coe's 800 record: this includes all Europeans and Americans and Australians etc., over 30 years later.

Unless we have proof the answer is No

Cova was always so fortunate that no one successfully took up the pace in his major championship wins and allowed him to sprint away.

Didn't Coe run less mileage than his contemporaries? It is amazing what he achieved with the "low" mileage.

Kalla wrote:

Cova was always so fortunate that no one successfully took up the pace in his major championship wins and allowed him to sprint away.

Didn't Coe run less mileage than his contemporaries? It is amazing what he achieved with the "low" mileage.

Anyone know Coe's mileage? There are differing accounts: some with lots of intense, high speed reps, some not counting a morning jog, an account of him doing something like 18 miles on Christmas Day 1979 because he thought Ovett would be training hard that day, some of him only doing gym circuits in winter instead of an aerobic base.

Kalla wrote:

Didn't Coe run less mileage than his contemporaries? It is amazing what he achieved with the "low" mileage.

Mileage isn't everything with an 800m specialist. Rudisha is "low" mileage at around ~36 mpw. It's amazing what he also achieved:

Coe, Ovett, Cram and Elliott likely doped.

It explains the lack of any decent British runners. In the 1980s Britain always featured among the medals from 800m to 10,000m