I thought he was lifting heavy religious fish?
I thought he was lifting heavy religious fish?
UsedToBeKnowItAll wrote:
belial wrote:
The 300/400/500 rule is pretty solid.
I still like the deadlift the most. Even if they're strength equivalent, someone who can deadlift 500 but bench for crap is a much more powerful person than someone who can bench 300 and deadlift for crap.
I'm biased though, I don't like the bench. I prefer overhead pressing for upper-body strength. I prefer a 200 overhead press over a 300 bench any day of the week except Mondays, which is national bench day.
I've had the 200/300/400/500 goal for a long time. So far, I've only hit the 400# squat. I got to 194 on the strict press, but then got distracted, and haven't worked on it for a while. Deadlift will probably be the hardest for me. The most I've ever hit for a deadlift is 465, and I used to work on it a lot.
Those are difficult goals, especially if you're running or doing a lot of intense cardio. I surpassed the 200/300/400/500 mark (especially in the DL, getting nearly 6 plates -- I have long arms). For some reason, I was also really good at the overhead press despite my relatively weak bench.
Now that I run and erg like a maniac, my lifts have dropped precipitously. I don't back squat at all; I just don't have the energy (also I'm becoming an old fart, which beats the alternative). I still deadlift, but I only go on intense periods where I work up to a single 500 DL (sort of a periodized approach to maintain it; often I'll do them intensely when I have some running-related injury and can't run much). I do a lot of upper body work, but stick mostly to dumbbells, which has done wonders for my shoulders.
Anyone that can run fast, run far, and deadlift or squat a lot, has found the magic formula.
belial wrote:
UsedToBeKnowItAll wrote:
I've had the 200/300/400/500 goal for a long time. So far, I've only hit the 400# squat. I got to 194 on the strict press, but then got distracted, and haven't worked on it for a while. Deadlift will probably be the hardest for me. The most I've ever hit for a deadlift is 465, and I used to work on it a lot.
Those are difficult goals, especially if you're running or doing a lot of intense cardio. I surpassed the 200/300/400/500 mark (especially in the DL, getting nearly 6 plates -- I have long arms). For some reason, I was also really good at the overhead press despite my relatively weak bench.
Now that I run and erg like a maniac, my lifts have dropped precipitously. I don't back squat at all; I just don't have the energy (also I'm becoming an old fart, which beats the alternative). I still deadlift, but I only go on intense periods where I work up to a single 500 DL (sort of a periodized approach to maintain it; often I'll do them intensely when I have some running-related injury and can't run much). I do a lot of upper body work, but stick mostly to dumbbells, which has done wonders for my shoulders.
Anyone that can run fast, run far, and deadlift or squat a lot, has found the magic formula.
I’m 41. No idea what my maxes are but I:
Deadlift 355 x 6
Squat 310 x 5
Bench 215 x 6
All last week. I’m 5’6”, 180
I don’t do strict presses I do behind the neck push jerks but not for max weight.
I run 3-4mi every other day. Some intervals and tempo. Easy runs around 7:30, tempos let’s say 6:30. Track 400s around 1:15. Overall about a minute per mile slower than when I was a mediocre runner. Running long is easy. Anyone can run long if they’re just slugging.
Alan
Runningart2004 wrote:
belial wrote:
Those are difficult goals, especially if you're running or doing a lot of intense cardio. I surpassed the 200/300/400/500 mark (especially in the DL, getting nearly 6 plates -- I have long arms). For some reason, I was also really good at the overhead press despite my relatively weak bench.
Now that I run and erg like a maniac, my lifts have dropped precipitously. I don't back squat at all; I just don't have the energy (also I'm becoming an old fart, which beats the alternative). I still deadlift, but I only go on intense periods where I work up to a single 500 DL (sort of a periodized approach to maintain it; often I'll do them intensely when I have some running-related injury and can't run much). I do a lot of upper body work, but stick mostly to dumbbells, which has done wonders for my shoulders.
Anyone that can run fast, run far, and deadlift or squat a lot, has found the magic formula.
I’m 41. No idea what my maxes are but I:
Deadlift 355 x 6
Squat 310 x 5
Bench 215 x 6
All last week. I’m 5’6”, 180
I don’t do strict presses I do behind the neck push jerks but not for max weight.
I run 3-4mi every other day. Some intervals and tempo. Easy runs around 7:30, tempos let’s say 6:30. Track 400s around 1:15. Overall about a minute per mile slower than when I was a mediocre runner. Running long is easy. Anyone can run long if they’re just slugging.
Alan
Solid numbers, and well-rounded. I'm sure you've heard people warn you about behind the neck stuff, so I won't bother.
My routine is similar to yours, except I probably put more focus on rowing, which goes to my strengths more: somewhat tall with long arms and long legs. Same reason I'm good at the deadlift.
I have a few years on you. If I run much more, there's a good chance I'll be injured. I get most of my cardio from rowing so I emphasize quality over quantity when it comes to running. Quarters are particularly my favorite and I am continuing to get faster at mid distance and sprint events. I'm not terribly competitive at 5K and up, but I can blow past most runners my age in the shorter distances. Once I hit 50, and I remain relatively injury free, I expect I'll be quite competitive.
belial wrote:
Runningart2004 wrote:
I’m 41. No idea what my maxes are but I:
Deadlift 355 x 6
Squat 310 x 5
Bench 215 x 6
All last week. I’m 5’6”, 180
I don’t do strict presses I do behind the neck push jerks but not for max weight.
I run 3-4mi every other day. Some intervals and tempo. Easy runs around 7:30, tempos let’s say 6:30. Track 400s around 1:15. Overall about a minute per mile slower than when I was a mediocre runner. Running long is easy. Anyone can run long if they’re just slugging.
Alan
Solid numbers, and well-rounded. I'm sure you've heard people warn you about behind the neck stuff, so I won't bother.
My routine is similar to yours, except I probably put more focus on rowing, which goes to my strengths more: somewhat tall with long arms and long legs. Same reason I'm good at the deadlift.
I have a few years on you. If I run much more, there's a good chance I'll be injured. I get most of my cardio from rowing so I emphasize quality over quantity when it comes to running. Quarters are particularly my favorite and I am continuing to get faster at mid distance and sprint events. I'm not terribly competitive at 5K and up, but I can blow past most runners my age in the shorter distances. Once I hit 50, and I remain relatively injury free, I expect I'll be quite competitive.
Yeah behind the neck stuff is tricky. But there’s much more transfer from the leg drive with a behind the neck push jerk vs front. Lowering the bar is actually the hardest part as far as not tearing my shoulders up. I just need to be thoroughly warmed up.
Alan
Lol! According to strength level website, a 230 lb. 20-something, 450 deadlift only puts him at 62% of those that lift regularly which is nothing special.
Plus, there’s this:
Runningart2004 wrote:
Yeah behind the neck stuff is tricky. But there’s much more transfer from the leg drive with a behind the neck push jerk vs front. Lowering the bar is actually the hardest part as far as not tearing my shoulders up. I just need to be thoroughly warmed up.
Alan
Lowering the weight on anything overhead is definitely tricky. I bought bumper plates for my garage so I can just drop them. If I'm doing reps, I always get nervous. Those are solid numbers you posted. I need to get back after it. Keep up the good work.
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