Also, anyone tested at Millrose is not getting away with anything while they are there. I personally know the people who run the doping control rooms there (and will verify this - look in the program, i'm in it the last 3 years). No monkey business goes on in the rooms. Does this mean anyone is clean, no, but they are being tested and i've been in there at times too. Its run by the book.
Lot of conspiracy theories, not a whole lot of substance. Does anyone know anything about this supposed list of athletes who were found to have taken banned substances, only for it to be covered up? I've never seen any sort of proof. For something like that to have happened, a large number of people must have been involved. The athletes, the people who test, the heads, the people who wrote down the names, etc. This many people aren't involved in a situation like this without somebody saying something. And I mean, somebody REALLY saying something to the media, etc. Not some random person using a generic screen-name telling everyone "trust me, I know."
Of course I think there is drug use in the sport. And I'm even occasionally willing to theorize on who might be a user. However, to state that you have this magical proof and use it to bash a runner without actually revealing what it is kind of sucks.
Its the Track and Field mafia. They threaten your family if you spill the beans.
Can you make public sensation and money from a 39 yr old american woman who bashes a women world indoor record?
Yes you can.
Keep the conspiracy theory open.
karangasem.
Wow, I'm going to go smoke a fat one and go for a run to ponder these allegations...
I can't believe I just read this whole thread. Somebody owes me back my five minutes.
don't you have to get a drug test after breaking a WR? not sure about this one
milesoftrials wrote:
don't you have to get a drug test after breaking a WR? not sure about this one
yes!
The problem isn't with the lack of drug tests after the meet. A drug test after a meet will come up negative if the athlete knows what she is doing. The current EPO tests only can detect EPO if it's been in the system for like the past week or 2. Therefore the athlete takes the drugs all during training and preperation for the meet. However they stop taking it let's say 14 days in advance so that the drug clears there system and can't be detected. However the athlete gains the enormous benefits of using the drug all throughout training, allowing them to train faster, harder, and more. The athlete then pops a big time at the meet, takes a drug test and is found clean. That is why they need more off season totally random time drug tests.
steve for USATF president!!!
Look at the history of Millrose and you will see Regina's name in the books for competing for some years now. She is actually "encouraged" not to miss Millrose....She gets some form of "compensation", for she is a member of NYAC. I've seen her picture on the wall-of-fame. It is her one obligation of being a NYAC member each year.
I'm assuming she didn't run this week do to after burn from a world record. Most elites don't compete the week after a performance such as this one, especially indoors.
On that note, I'd like to support what was posted regarding the epo/competition timetable. I actually believe it is physically impossible for someone of Regina's age to get considerably faster in the middle distance events. If she was clean, every physiologist in the world should be studying her to figure out genetically how she does it.
Allow me to speculate....Look at her performances/competitions from this past summer. She ran very well at some races and dropped out of some. I think she showed up and "towed" the line to get paid. By strange coincidence, she dropped out of all the European races that drug tested. The US had no "hand" in these tests.
A little more speculation that I admit I don't know anything about(perhaps someone could shed some light on this one). Could ashma medications cover up some of the perfomance enhancing drugs if she was to be tested?? Just a thought.
I know I had many things to say, however, I have been one to speculate Regina's performances the past few years. Perception is reality, right?
dude just shut up!
in the know wrote:
I think she showed up and "towed" the line to get paid.
Unless someone was pulling her, it's "toed".
Unless you have concrete proof that Regina is on drugs there isn't anything one can do about it, regardless of how much folks might suspect her based on her actions, personality, perception, etc. Unless someone is willing to swear to her guilt and has material proof, she is not going to get nailed and nor are those who cover-up for her. Naturally that is going to invite cynicism but that's how it would stack up in a court of law. Like her or not, she is innocent until proven guilty, even if 75% of the casual observers believe in their gut Regina at 39 is using drugs.
If we're going to talk about 39-year-olds kicking ass, what about Colleen De Reuck? It can happen, but the odds are absurd.
One of the problems with putting stock in drug-testing as a measure of being clean is that it's thoroughly lacking in comprehensiveness. According to this site's favorite whipping boy (CU coach Mark Wetmore) in 1998, there are roughly 70 manufactured substances on the USATF and IAAF banned list with testosterone derivatives. However, there are probably one thousand testosterone-derivative-based substances available to the public. Thousands of substances exist, which if tested would probably be banned, but the testing has failed to reach that level of sophistication.
The second problem is more widely known. Druggies are, scientifically speaking, way ahead of the drug-testing process. The testing process might be able to catch one-third of the cheats out there. There are so many ways to mask a positive result or simply not produce one. Think about it. How many world TnF records or even top five times do you really trust? IMO less than half.
Thirdly and fourth, the drug-testing process is flawed and things are more complex than they might appear. The best example: When Uta Pippig was "busted" and punished by the German federation for having too high of a testosterone to epitestosterone ratio (at 11:1, well over the IAAF legal limit of 6:1), anyone not looking closely would have assumed she was dirty and they do so to this day.
The signs of implied guilt were all there: Pippig is a former East German, saddled with a secretive, overly possessive lover/coach, was running 180 MPW, etc. But when Uta was tested, no one mentioned that her testosterone level was the second-lowest out of 16 females tested. And her EPItestosterone level, however, was comparable to that of an 85-year-old woman. (This information was verified by her chiropractor Dr. Doug Terry of Boulder and his colleague at the Harvard Medical School).
So in Uta Pippig's case, she there is a good chance she wasn't guilty, she was just totally wrecked. Her career might have been over regardless. But as it worked out, the testing mechanism was flawed and failed to acknowledge her abnormally low T/EPIT readings, and Uta got screwed by the Germans who didn't want her to abandon them for US citizenship.
"Maurice probably signed the same agreement (I don't know if he was on the unknown Syndey illegal substance list, but I do for the others)... i must say that i do have inside sources that don't know i am posting on this site (i wouldn't continue to receive the information if they did know)... The Truth Needs to be Told and Politics of USATF need to be revealed... Trust me. I know!"
Great stuff. You know definitively that the mystery list exists, you know who's on it. Presumably that means you could reveal it. But you're afraid that if you do, you won't get inside info anymore? So what? You apparently have smoking-gun proof that if you revealed it, you'd blow the top off this scandal. So do it. What better "inside information" are you saving up your whistle-blowing for?
Put up or shut up.
ONe-Keg flaws
IMO.........
First - Wetmore is no wipping post here. He is
a public figure who(like anybody else) should face some of his critics. He's not beyond reproach. Being in the publis eye is part of the game he must play.
Second - What's your problem with Uta's boyfriend and coach?
Don't you think Uta can take care of herself or is it you feel Uta is "just some stupid bimbo"? My knowledge of Uta is that she's a darn strong (bull headed german) who would not put up with too much crap.
Third - A chiropractor is not a doctor-MD or chemist-Phd ?
I am sorry but using a chiro's data as proof of her being "clean" would not hold up in ANY court. In any international competition they do NOT have a bunch of chiro's testing athletes. They use MDs and Phds.(real doctors).
You are right on the button with the issues around Regina. Unless the FACTS are "out" - everyone will continue to put a big spin on the rumor mill. But again, She's in the public eye. If she dislikes the BS she can always quit running and become a nun. Yo don't see many trashing a nun if she's doing drugs, etc. PS-Same applies for Wetmore.
XXOO
Author: randymayes posted:
Does anyone know regina's ethnicity? Is she Jewish, black, white, mixed? The Kenyan's think she is Mexican.
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Down here in Texas, you are called a Mexican if you are not black or white.
If Regina(or any other world class runner) claims he/she is clean, then they should have there test results made public and offer to be tested often. Paula Radcliffe does this to prove that she is not on anything, to show her crediability, so why don't other runners do this?
Whaaaaaay! If you used half of the energy you used to right this thread maybe you can go and run a 3:42.0 mile! ;-}
The Roc
If anyone saw Regina's sickening interview on the Milrose Games os Sat., you will see what a sore loser (or winner) by down playng others records. She is a disgrace to track and field.