BREAKING: Mary Cain leaves Oregon Project

o.O wrote:

This is a sign of her being unwilling to subject herself to the drug routine.

Good for her.

Salazar was never charged with anything. No proof. You must be a Trump supporter. Everything is rigged!

Hmmmmmmmm wrote:

No More Al Stress wrote:

Good. No more of the Salazar psychosis to deal with. Too many negative vibes spewing out of Salazar.

Yeah. All those negative vibes. Didn't seem to hurt Centro or Rupp or Farah or Jenkins. Salazar is actually a very positive guy. The vast majority of his runners love him. But like any coaching situation, if you want to find a negative, you can. All coaches have failures, Salazar included, but in Alberto's case, he happens to be one of history's greatest distance coaches. Hopefully Cain will click with her new coach.

This.

No real surprise there. She was running under NOP and running horribly. A person can only run and not improve so long until it's time to move on. Her and Baxter are obsolete running wise. Baxter will never be relevant again. Cain may have an Alan Webb like reassurance. We'll have to see how it plays out.

Im happy about this. Gives her a fresh slate.

waddle wrote:

W.O. Moore wrote:

I always thought she was an 800/1500 runner. Cut the volume, focus on speed. Forget the 3000s and 5ks. She has run sub 2 on little specific 800 training.

There is no such thing as being a type of runner. You are what you train for. She did specific 800m training. Everyone in NOP does lots of speed and sprint work. They aren't running sub 2, 3:50i, and 3:26 by accident.

Yeah, but you're only good at it if you are the type. Moran.

Sloop John B wrote:

No real surprise there. She was running under NOP and running horribly. A person can only run and not improve so long until it's time to move on. Her and Baxter are obsolete running wise. Baxter will never be relevant again. Cain may have an Alan Webb like reassurance. We'll have to see how it plays out.

Nobody could reassure Webb.

too many olympic / world championship medals too.....

No More Al Stress wrote:

Good. No more of the Salazar psychosis to deal with. Too many negative vibes spewing out of Salazar.

Remember when she used to thank God every day that Alberto Salazar had entered her life. DIdn't she and her mom say it was God's plan?

Wonder what they think now?

rojo wrote:

SarahH3201 wrote:

Im happy about this. Gives her a fresh slate.

How is it a fresh slate? It's the opposite of a fresh slate.

She's basically training under the guy that Alberto hired to supervise her workouts in HS. Seems like she's doing exactly what she did in HS. Except she's old and unfortunately slower.

The only thing that has changed is the singlet she's wearing. That's what I find facinating. I'd love to know the backstory there.

She says on her website that she's a "full time student at Fordham University," -- I think that's also a pretty big change from being a part time student at a community college to participate in the Oregon project.

Maybe it isn't a fresh slate, but it sounds like she's opening an extra door or two beyond track by staying out east.

rojo wrote:

SarahH3201 wrote:

Im happy about this. Gives her a fresh slate.

How is it a fresh slate? It's the opposite of a fresh slate.

She's basically training under the guy that Alberto hired to supervise her workouts in HS. Seems like she's doing exactly what she did in HS. Except she's old and unfortunately slower.

The only thing that has changed is the singlet she's wearing. That's what I find facinating. I'd love to know the backstory there.

It seems like going back to what was working for her would be a good way to get rolling again.

As for the backstory, why not "reach out to her" and ask?

rojo wrote:

SarahH3201 wrote:

Im happy about this. Gives her a fresh slate.

How is it a fresh slate? It's the opposite of a fresh slate.

She's basically training under the guy that Alberto hired to supervise her workouts in HS. Seems like she's doing exactly what she did in HS. Except she's old and unfortunately slower.

The only thing that has changed is the singlet she's wearing. That's what I find facinating. I'd love to know the backstory there.

Maybe they didn't want her to leave in the middle of all the doping news.

agip wrote:

good news.

Henwood is a good guy I hear. It will be weird her not having a team around her, but it seems that's what she's used to. I'm sure there are some men she can do workouts with.

Saw Cain running in Central Park last week - she looked like she was having a good time, with a pack of 6 or so.

Go See GAGS, NJ-NY TC

juevos oylmpicos wrote:

Hmmmmmmmm wrote:

Yeah. All those negative vibes. Didn't seem to hurt Centro or Rupp or Farah or Jenkins. Salazar is actually a very positive guy. The vast majority of his runners love him. But like any coaching situation, if you want to find a negative, you can. All coaches have failures, Salazar included, but in Alberto's case, he happens to be one of history's greatest distance coaches. Hopefully Cain will click with her new coach.

This.

Not This. Salazar has destroyed far more runners than his few successes.

Too many destroyed castoffs. Only a few champions given the secret gray-zone sauce.

Cain shoogur wrote:

too many olympic / world championship medals too.....

No More Al Stress wrote:

Good. No more of the Salazar psychosis to deal with. Too many negative vibes spewing out of Salazar.

She left a long time ago, shortly after the ProPublica/BBC investigation on Salazar came out. She's only announcing it now.

waddle:

Here is something Renato wrote about Billy Konchellah (an example of what he calls a "fast" 800 runner, in other words a 400-800 guy) and Steve Cram (an example of a "resistant" 800 runner, in other words an 800-1500 guy) and how they trained:

For reaching their best result, all the athletes must exalt their best qualities, not wasting too much time trying to fill in the gaps. I saw great champions having exceptional qualities in some direction, showing great gaps in other direction. If you have a gap at the beginning, NEVER that quality can become a strong quality, only less weak.

For that reason, one training with 10 x 300m for Billy Konchellah (or the top 800m runners coming from 400m) is not only useless, but damageous. On the other side, if one runner is an "aerobic type", and is not so fast, NEVER can run at 110% of his speed (I suppose Cram never able to run 300m in 35"...), and has to develop his "specific speed endurance", using the system of very short recovey.

You must remember that the essence of training is to STIMULATE all the systems of an athlete, and the stimula, for all the activity of endurance (so, 800m too), are in 2 different direction : EXTENSION and INTENSITY.

This means that, for an athlete able running 2 x 300m in 33" with 10' recovery, running 4 x 300min 35" with 6' recovery is a stimula of EXTENSION, while for an athlete able running 20 x 300 in 45" rec. 30", going for 10 x 300 in 39" / 40" rec. 45" is a stimula of INTENSITY.

We cannot think of these 2 words (EXTENSION and INTENSITY) in objective way, but in SUBJECTIVE way. In other words, for every runner, when he runs faster than before he faces a stimulus of intensity, when runs longer (or increases the volume at a pace that normally is able to use) he faces a stimulus of extension.

Another word for propaedeutic can be PREPARATORY. I'm not so good in English, and found this word on the dictionary...

Read more:

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=3328547&page=1#ixzz4NsFu61x7

Are you saying that what Renato wrote is BS? Or that if Bolt trained like Kipchoge and vice versa, Kipchoge could be a world-class sprinter and Bolt could be a world-class marathoner?

wait a minute wrote:

Remember when she used to thank God every day that Alberto Salazar had entered her life. DIdn't she and her mom say it was God's plan?

Wonder what they think now?

Diude, you need to read the Bible. God loves to jerk people around. Adam, Eve, Cain, Abel, Abraham, Job.

All of these people felt the erratic mind of the Big Guy.

We've seen dozens of girl prodigies or near prodigies never progress past their early teen years. Just because Cain was relatively faster does not mean that she will buck the trend.

Apart from Decker, how many more amounted to anything?

rojo wrote:

Except she's old

She's old? Funny. Because under the headline on your front page, it says "she's only 20".

So which is it?