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If she is XX and just has a disorder that produces extra testosterone, I think I'm on the side of her being able to compete as a female without reservation.
If she is XXY, I'm still in favor of her competing against females. She lives her life as a female, so she competes in the women's category. It really is that simple.
Definitely Not Blankenship wrote:
this is where it is wrote:If she is XX and just has a disorder that produces extra testosterone, I think I'm on the side of her being able to compete as a female without reservation.
If she is XXY, I'm still in favor of her competing against females. She lives her life as a female, so she competes in the women's category. It really is that simple.
I'm not sure that it's that simple, but that seems fine and I've got bigger problems to solve right now. Like where did I put my keys?
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Definitely Not Blankenship wrote:If she is XXY, I'm still in favor of her competing against females. She lives her life as a female, so she competes in the women's category. It really is that simple.
I'm not sure that it's that simple, but that seems fine and I've got bigger problems to solve right now. Like where did I put my keys?
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wejo wrote:http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/olympics/rio-2016-joanna-jozwik-caster-semenya-800m-hyperandrogenism-a7203731.htmlWhat is the 'first white' comment are referencing?
That article quotes jozwik as saying "first european" and "second white"
but I don't know where the interview is
Both are just facts.
In the marathon people are all the time talking about first non born in Africa. Or the first white in the sprints.
Pappy wrote:
All of these journalists who are "struggling" with the "definition" of female or male...have they even heard of the Y-chromosome? I know the ignorant Anti-social Injustice Worriers haven't. They were taught that biology is malleable and relativistic.
Just like Lysenko's Marxist theories of genetics helped lead to the famines that killed millions in the Soviet Union, AIW's don't care if their "theories" about gender lead to the death of women's athletics.
All they want is gimme gimme gimme.
They don't care that they're wrong, and they don't care about hurting people either, in fact they get off on brutalizing the women.
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I'm not sure anyone knows whether Semanaya has a Y chromosome or not.
It's just known she has hyperandrogenism.
If she is XX and just has a disorder that produces extra testosterone, I think I'm on the side of her being able to compete as a female without reservation.
If he was a bird, he could fly, but he's not.
He's a Y chromosome male, and this has been known since 2009.
Definitely Not Blankenship wrote:
this is where it is wrote:If she is XX and just has a disorder that produces extra testosterone, I think I'm on the side of her being able to compete as a female without reservation.
If she is XXY, I'm still in favor of her competing against females. She lives her life as a female, so she competes in the women's category. It really is that simple.
He's a Y chromosome male, and males don't get to just choose to be in the women's division.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/olympics/rio-2016-joanna-jozwik-caster-semenya-800m-hyperandrogenism-a7203731.htmlThat article quotes jozwik as saying "first european" and "second white"
She's stating a fact, and she's right.
Definitely Not Blankenship wrote:
this is where it is wrote:If she is XX and just has a disorder that produces extra testosterone, I think I'm on the side of her being able to compete as a female without reservation.
If she is XXY, I'm still in favor of her competing against females. She lives her life as a female, so she competes in the women's category. It really is that simple.
Fine as long as all the other women can top up their testosterone to the same level.
http://www.everydayhealth.com/testicular-cancer/testicle-implants.aspxfred wrote:
Definitely Not Blankenship wrote:If she is XXY, I'm still in favor of her competing against females. She lives her life as a female, so she competes in the women's category. It really is that simple.
Fine as long as all the other women can top up their testosterone to the same level.
I never knew there were so many racist girl's running the 800M. Their bigotry just makes me sick. How about training harder next time rather than tearing down other runners. Caster trained harder than her and deserved that gold.
I seriously hope that the IOC considers suspending any competitor that made a racist comment after the race, there is no place for that bigotry in track and field. Joanna and Lynsey need some time off to think about the hurtful and inappropriate things that they both said.
She's A Racist!! wrote:
I never knew there were so many racist girl's running the 800M. Their bigotry just makes me sick. How about training harder next time rather than tearing down other runners. Caster trained harder than her and deserved that gold.
I seriously hope that the IOC considers suspending any competitor that made a racist comment after the race, there is no place for that bigotry in track and field. Joanna and Lynsey need some time off to think about the hurtful and inappropriate things that they both said.
Caster did train harder but he has a clear advantage being a male. We've know this since 2009.
People say "first non african" all the time for distance events (10k marathon) all the time and no one cares. She was stating a fact that she was the first white person to finish the race.
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I'm not sure anyone knows whether Semanaya has a Y chromosome or not.
It's just known she has hyperandrogenism.
If she is XX and just has a disorder that produces extra testosterone, I think I'm on the side of her being able to compete as a female without reservation.
Is it possible to have internal testes producing high levels of testosterone with XX chromosomes? I might be wrong, but I believe the various intersex conditions don't include that. True intersex people exist, who have both male and female organs, but I believe that they are XY.
I'm beginning to be in favour of all athletes having a full biological profile, including chromosomes and testosterone levels. I'm not buying that its too personal/embarrassing/traumatic for athletes like Semenya to reveal the details of their "condition" but not to race and make a fortune on the world stage.
Maybe also we need to look at making men's races Open races ie open to all and women's races need specified qualifying criteria to enter. Or call them restricted womens' races if that makes people happier. Because at this rate, women will be a minority in womens' races and the SJWs will be clamouring to protect them. But by then we'll have driven all the talented female athletes away into other sports.
She's A Racist!! wrote:
I never knew there were so many racist girl's running the 800M. Their bigotry just makes me sick.
The Y chromosome transgendered males have been attacking the "weak white" women in the 800m incessantly, including on Joanna's twitter account and here on Letsrun, and it is very easy to see these attacks including this additional one you just made.
I applaud Joanna for standing up for herself, and for all women in the world, against this inhuman attack by the misogynist Y chromosome transgender males who have male SRY genes.
How about training harder next time rather than tearing down other runners. Caster trained harder than her and deserved that gold.
How about doing that yourself you jacka'ss instead of brutalizing the real women who deserved to be in the race, unlike that monster man Seyemya, who didn't deserve anything, certainly not to steal the medals from the women.
I seriously hope that the IOC considers suspending any competitor that made a racist comment after the race, there is no place for that bigotry in track and field.
Oh I do too, as that would shut all of you up.
I applauded the real women who finished as the first 3 true women in that 800m Olympic final, and I look forward to the day when they will be rewarded for their efforts. I'm also looking forward to the day those 3 men are banned from running in the women's events, and the medals that they stole are taken away.
Definitely Not Blankenship wrote:
this is where it is wrote:If she is XX and just has a disorder that produces extra testosterone, I think I'm on the side of her being able to compete as a female without reservation.
If she is XXY, I'm still in favor of her competing against females. She lives her life as a female, so she competes in the women's category. It really is that simple.
Again, by the process of elimination, its highly unlikely to be XXY as it (Klinefelter syndrome) usually goes along with serious metabolic disorders that would make training to any kind of competitive level impossible. In fact, supplementing with additional testosterone is more likely than producing high levels naturally but an individual will still be male because of the Y chromosome ie possessing male organs and characteristics.
It is the presence of a Y chromosome that makes someone male. Those with XXY are considered male because of the Y chromosome.
I'm not some scientist, this is basic high school level human biology.
not an argument wrote:Caster did train harder but he has a clear advantage being a male. We've know this since 2009.
And how do you know that Caster trained harder? And if she did, how can you separate out her intersex condition from a capacity to train harder or at a higher level.
As for race, Eunice Sum, Agee Wilson, etc. are just as affected by having intersex athletes compete as any other women. It's not a simple situation.
Let's not let this thread go too long off topic:
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Caster did train harder but he has a clear advantage being a male. We've know this since 2009.
None of those 3 males should have been in the race.
Hopefully the IAAF will ban all 3 of them soon for cheating.
Not XY wrote:
True intersex people exist, who have both male and female organs, but I believe that they are XY.
I'm beginning to be in favour of all athletes having a full biological profile, including chromosomes and testosterone levels. I'm not buying that its too personal/embarrassing/traumatic for athletes like Semenya to reveal the details of their "condition" but not to race and make a fortune on the world stage.
Maybe also we need to look at making men's races Open races ie open to all and women's races need specified qualifying criteria to enter. Or call them restricted womens' races if that makes people happier. Because at this rate, women will be a minority in womens' races and the SJWs will be clamouring to protect them. But by then we'll have driven all the talented female athletes away into other sports.
yeah my wikipedia and google-level researching and associated genetics degree conferred thereby suggest that she is XY with AIS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androgen_insensitivity_syndrome (I assume someone on this site knew this already)I now am of the opinion that there is no solution to this that doesn't leave large swaths of people outraged
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Definitely Not Blankenship wrote:If she is XXY, I'm still in favor of her competing against females. She lives her life as a female, so she competes in the women's category. It really is that simple.
Again, by the process of elimination, its highly unlikely to be XXY as it (Klinefelter syndrome) usually goes along with serious metabolic disorders that would make training to any kind of competitive level impossible. In fact, supplementing with additional testosterone is more likely than producing high levels naturally but an individual will still be male because of the Y chromosome ie possessing male organs and characteristics.
It is the presence of a Y chromosome that makes someone male. Those with XXY are considered male because of the Y chromosome.
I'm not some scientist, this is basic high school level human biology.
