Intersex clean sweep in the 800!

I feel bad for Semenya but worse for the female athletes like Sharp and Bishop and Jóźwik that are cheated by CAS's idiocy.

Coach wrote:

"She's big! Is that a boy?" said my son about Semenya.

Then he saw Wambui and said "that's a boy!" with such confusion in his voice.

I heard Semenya speak for the first time and she genuinely does sound like a man. If you played the voice without her picture, you would be none the wiser. It's actually extraordinary.

It's an increasingly absurd situation.

Finally! You have redeemed my hope in humanity, perfectly stated and true words.

Justice4caster wrote:

Celebrate Caster overcoming social and probably racial discrimination to get where she is. No easy feat. It's good that there are people willing to fight for her rights. And tonight she did all of the people who value all humans equally proud.

Too bad there's no one to fight for the rights of the Women who ran tonight in the 800. Oh well

Up next, Anderson Silva has decided to identify as female and will be facing off against Ronda Rousey in the Women's division of the UFC. Oh, and his weight is no problem because we want him to be proud of his body

And the Olympic Gold Medalist for Men's freestyle wrestling has announced that in Tokyo 2020 he will identify as female

Let's celebrate them overcoming social discrimination

Justice4caster wrote:

Celebrate Caster overcoming social and probably racial discrimination to get where she is. No easy feat. It's good that there are people willing to fight for her rights. And tonight she did all of the people who value all humans equally proud.

You sound like a good American liberal. She PROBABLY overcame racial discrimination. That's good enough to let her compete unfairly. She probably overcame racial discrmination! Excellent.

Bullshit.

They deserved to run and compete.

Narrow minded people like you make me sick

lol...you two are incorrigable...

Of course they're human beings. No one is arguing that...BUT...They're DUDES!!!!...running in a women's race. It's a complete & utter FARCE!

Sure, they're human beings. No one is arguing against that. We're just upset because it was supposed to be a Women's race in the 800m and their testosterone levels are too high. Are you against the rights of women with normal testosterone levels? You bigot.

Run Doctor wrote:

Bullshit.

They deserved to run and compete with men.

Fixed it.

cbenson4 wrote:

Sure, they're human beings. No one is arguing against that. We're just upset because it was supposed to be a Women's race in the 800m and their testosterone levels are too high. Are you against the rights of women with normal testosterone levels? You bigot.

IIRC ... Caster got a silver medal in 2012, under the initial CAS ruling ... the same one that everyone wants reinstated. Caster was beaten only by the Russian doper who will in all likelihood have her medal taken away.

What is the (natural) upper threshold for testosterone in men? Do you draw a similar line in the men's events? Or only the women?

People aren't upset about how they raced, what they've accomplished, how hard they worked, what they've endured to be where they are.

They are upset that there isn't a race that has been made to fairly put those that fall into a similar category of their natural body types, and instead lumped them all together as 'just' women. If any of those other women in the race had anywhere near the testosterone levels of those three, they would be banned b/c it is not anywhere close to the legal limit. And yes Testosterone is one of the body's hormones that does directly influence physical performance. It is not a simple matter, and I congratulate Semenya and the rest of those women for fighting for their rights, but does that make the race any less unfair to those who are physically no match for them, no it doesn't

We as a society really need to take a step back and think about where we are. We have dudes winning medals as women in the Olympics. Don't you think this will encourage even more of this type of activity. I really feel sorry for the 3 women finishers who trained hard their entire lives for this moment and it was stolen from them.

Finally we are born a certain way. You cannot choose your gender, race, etc. this is absurd and when does it end. Can a 50 year old guy identify as a 15 year old boy and start dating underrate girls??

Hopefully tonight is a wake up call because if we don't address this it's only going to get worse,

Enough Already wrote:

.... Don't you think this will encourage even more of this type of activity. ...

I don't. I suspect everyone who imagines it might has no idea just what kind of stuff Caster has endured over the years. And I don't for a second believe you'd put up with it just for a medal.

Finally we are born a certain way. You cannot choose your gender, race, etc. this is absurd and when does it end. Can a 50 year old guy identify as a 15 year old boy and start dating underrate girls?? ...

Caster WAS born a certain way .. she didn't 'choose' her gender, and she's not fifty years old.

The very same people who argue that Caster would have to use a woman's locker room are the ones saying she should not be allowed to compete as a woman. That inconsistency alone suggests the reasons that underlie their positions aren't what they proclaim them to be.

wtfunny wrote:

cbenson4 wrote:

Sure, they're human beings. No one is arguing against that. We're just upset because it was supposed to be a Women's race in the 800m and their testosterone levels are too high. Are you against the rights of women with normal testosterone levels? You bigot.

IIRC ... Caster got a silver medal in 2012, under the initial CAS ruling ... the same one that everyone wants reinstated. Caster was beaten only by the Russian doper who will in all likelihood have her medal taken away.

What is the (natural) upper threshold for testosterone in men? Do you draw a similar line in the men's events? Or only the women?

In truth, I don't think intersex individuals should even be able to compete in a gender-specific section. It bothers me when people get on their high horse and start preaching as if they're standing up for the rights of all humans when in reality they're ignoring the rights of women who were not born with internal testes.

When a woman's testosterone level is seen to be outrageously high compared to other women, that should be considered unfair. When a man's testosterone level is seen to be outrageously high compared to other men, that should be considered unfair. I don't know the numbers, but the experts should.

And it's up to you and the networks to determine if Caster, Niyonsaba and Wambui are female or male?

I had to laugh and turn the sound off when the Aussie announcer said "now Semenya has the whole package..."

Er, not so much.

When did Letsrun become Donald Trumps new platform for discrimination.

cbenson4 wrote:

In truth, I don't think intersex individuals should even be able to compete in a gender-specific section. It bothers me when people get on their high horse and start preaching as if they're standing up for the rights of all humans when in reality they're ignoring the rights of women who were not born with internal testes.

When a woman's testosterone level is seen to be outrageously high compared to other women, that should be considered unfair. When a man's testosterone level is seen to be outrageously high compared to other men, that should be considered unfair. I don't know the numbers, but the experts should.

I don't see any difference between ^this argument and the "ALL elite athletes have some biological advantage over most men/women". What difference does it make whether it's height, or muscle mass or some hand-eye coordination, or endurance, or whatever else?

That makes sense, but Caster is not a woman so your argument does not apply. Caster's testosterone level is perfectly normal.

That's because they weren't born that way. If you take testosterone it's called cheating, if you're born with higher levels it's called genetics. Read a damn book, article or any scientific journal.