Is the USA appealing or is the DQ confirmed?
Is the USA appealing or is the DQ confirmed?
Has to be overturned! The video is very decisive
Didn't Gatlin chalk up a DQ for straddling the acceleration zone instead of starting with both feet in the zone recently?
Crispy cake wrote:
Star wrote:Ooh.
That would be a blow to the Games if that was true.
I don't know much about relays so I can't comment on the legality of exchanges, but you know this won't happen. IAAF thrives on bolt.
Don't forget that they DQ'd Bolt in the 2011 Worlds 100m final for a false start.
laughing wrote:
Crispy cake wrote:I don't know much about relays so I can't comment on the legality of exchanges, but you know this won't happen. IAAF thrives on bolt.
Don't forget that they DQ'd Bolt in the 2011 Worlds 100m final for a false start.
Yes but the false start was obvious.
biased sample wrote:
SCRunner5k wrote:http://imgur.com/a/C3qvbI don't see anything in that image showing a violation. It's fuzzy but looks in that image that the baton is still in the exchange zone. The rules say the baton must be exchanged in the zone, it doesn't require the person's torso or feet to still be in it.
RIght, nothing about feet, because feet don't matter here.
In case you cannot read the rule that someone posted above, the first touch of the baton by the receiving runner is when the pass is deemed to have commenced. That is not allowed to happen unless the baton itself is within the 20m passing zone.
In this case, Gatlin left late, reached back, and touched the baton when it was not quite into the passing zone yet. His fault. After that happened, it does not matter when Rodgers lets go of the baton. The official made the correct call.
However, it was not flagged at the time. This probably tells us that the DQ was the result of a protest, by our little neighbor to the north, which stood to benefit. Watch Canadian TV--they hate us, especially in T&F!
RTFR wrote:
biased sample wrote:I don't see anything in that image showing a violation. It's fuzzy but looks in that image that the baton is still in the exchange zone. The rules say the baton must be exchanged in the zone, it doesn't require the person's torso or feet to still be in it.
RIght, nothing about feet, because feet don't matter here.
In case you cannot read the rule that someone posted above, the first touch of the baton by the receiving runner is when the pass is deemed to have commenced. That is not allowed to happen unless the baton itself is within the 20m passing zone.
In this case, Gatlin left late, reached back, and touched the baton when it was not quite into the passing zone yet. His fault. After that happened, it does not matter when Rodgers lets go of the baton. The official made the correct call.
However, it was not flagged at the time. This probably tells us that the DQ was the result of a protest, by our little neighbor to the north, which stood to benefit. Watch Canadian TV--they hate us, especially in T&F!
RTFR I know the rule. I wasn't talking about the US dq, which you do a great job explaining. I was responding to the image that was provided by someone that was saying a couple times in this board that Jamaica should be DQd. I was actually talking about how I didn't see a Jamaican violation in the image he provided.
And yes I do think our "polite" neighbors to the north made the protest :).
Wow, nobody saw that coming.
The good news is that when they all test positive for the latest designer roids our medal count won't drop as much.
what is supposed to happen in a change is the carrier is supposed to shout hand, or slow. To let them know when to put the hand back, or to bring him back if he is getting away.
Clearly they were close to the zone and if they had been legal the pass would have been successfully appealed. It looked like the pass was completed in the zone but started on the edge.
In that change I would call out Rogers if he didn't make those adjustments.
Who cares?
flaciddistance wrote:
what is supposed to happen in a change is the carrier is supposed to shout hand, or slow. To let them know when to put the hand back, or to bring him back if he is getting away.
Clearly they were close to the zone and if they had been legal the pass would have been successfully appealed. It looked like the pass was completed in the zone but started on the edge.
In that change I would call out Rogers if he didn't make those adjustments.
At the Olympic level they should not be shouting hand/slow. It should be 100% choreographed (JAPAN) and verbal instructions in a loud stadium among 7 other teams does not enter the mindset of a quality unit.
Crispy cake wrote:
Is the USA appealing or is the DQ confirmed?
They appealed. USATF said it would be decided in the morning, but SI's Tim Layden said the IAAF confirmed late last night that the appeal had been denied. USATF has not commented since, but the DQ still stands in the result. No reason to think it will be overturned. The pass began before the exchange zone.
biased sample wrote:
SCRunner5k wrote:http://imgur.com/a/C3qvbI don't see anything in that image showing a violation. It's fuzzy but looks in that image that the baton is still in the exchange zone. The rules say the baton must be exchanged in the zone, it doesn't require the person's torso or feet to still be in it.
You don't, LOL.
The US takes the baton before the exchange zone line. Jamaica is on the exchange line and hasn't yet exchanged the baton.
biased sample wrote:
I was responding to the image that was provided by someone that was saying a couple times in this board that Jamaica should be DQd. I was actually talking about how I didn't see a Jamaican violation in the image he provided.
Correct, Jamaica is on the start of the exchange zone and the baton has not been touched. The US had a massive brain fart.
RunCogRun wrote:
flaciddistance wrote:what is supposed to happen in a change is the carrier is supposed to shout hand, or slow. To let them know when to put the hand back, or to bring him back if he is getting away.
Clearly they were close to the zone and if they had been legal the pass would have been successfully appealed. It looked like the pass was completed in the zone but started on the edge.
In that change I would call out Rogers if he didn't make those adjustments.
At the Olympic level they should not be shouting hand/slow. It should be 100% choreographed (JAPAN) and verbal instructions in a loud stadium among 7 other teams does not enter the mindset of a quality unit.
Right. I can't believe the US team is still doing this. I don't think my college team used verbal commands.
Clearly the team tried to give the baton to Gatlin as early as possible to have him run the greatest distance. Turned out it was too early. Monumental f up.
Apparently so did the Jamaicans. Contact is being made while the baton is outside the exchange zone. Per the rules, that should be a DQ.
What're the odds of that happening in the current kangaroo appeals process?
The Track&Field portion of this Olympics is a joke, an illegitimate carneval of a joke. I used to naively think that T&F was a purer competition than professional (american) football, or basketball, but this Olympics has totally disabused me of that misapprehension.
IAAF: I Am A Fake