Everyone makes mistakes. To err is human, to forgive is divine.
Everyone makes mistakes. To err is human, to forgive is divine.
8 meters 38 wrote:
800 dude wrote:Bump. This should be covered on the front page.
They don't care. Look at LaShawn Merritt. He's in the upcoming 400 final. lol
The point of this is not that he doped. he is still in the term of his suspension. Merritt serves his time
I wished that you cared as much about the Obama Administrations Justice Department ignoring laws they don't like as you care about this.
I don't know much about throwing but he has served his suspension. No reason to not let him coach if they want him in that position. I doubt he encourages doping. You know how many NCAA basketball coaches have had scandals? A lot of the prominent ones. Most remain coaching. Seems like a lot of miserable people here like finding an axe to grind. Doping will continue no matter what measures are put in place. It will only get worse.
The point is he was still activley coaching he was not truly serving a suspension. The amount of work UVA did to get around the suspension is the true issue. It makes a farce of the rules. Especially when he is caught coaching.
"Let he is without sin cast the first stone."
I am of two minds on the issue.
He served his penalty and is entitled to seek employment again. However as a parent if my child was on the team would I want him coaching my child?
Party row kosher wrote:
Seems like a lot of miserable people here like finding an axe to grind. Doping will continue no matter what measures are put in place. It will only get worse.
It might not get AS worse if we and this website continue to speak out against doping in sport.
If only some of you guys cared as much about Martin Marić having competed during his ban in defiance of IAAF, WADA, and his national anti-doping agency, and about UVa sticking out their big middle finger to same as you do about a 400m runner who by all accounts honorably served his ban long ago and a politician who will soon leave office . . .
UPDATE:
It turns out that Marić had sought a reduction of his 2y ban, which was first granted, allowing him to compete on May 6, 2016, but then that reduction was challenged, by whom I do not know, and that challenge was successful, so the ban was then fully reinstated.
So he did not compete while banned, and the ban ended earlier this month, but too late for him to chase a qualifier for Rio.
How did you find all that out?
Also, does anyone have any idea if Maric ever appealed or challenged the ban initially? From everything I've read, SARMS are essentially impossible to ingest "accidentally" as the only reason to take them is to gain a competitive advantage.....doesn't seem to be a naturally occurring substance in any other product.
Only plausible reason for Maric to even mount an appeal would be if someone tampered with one of his legal supplements, which seems highly unlikely.
Any insight? I've searched but haven't found anything in English....and as we've already seen, UVA and their Athletic Department are very much hush hush...
Avocado's Number is bitter. He couldn't get the job at UVA, thus the apparent libel against this coach which has done what he needs to do.
Free Country. Remember that.
I am not in the UVA program in any way but familiar with it.
I have seen the report from Croatian Federation and they ruled it accidental due to tainted supplement. There is an english version available if people looked hard enough to find it.
When suspended Maric was asked if he would appeal for reduced suspension and his only request was that he be able to keep coaching and he was told that he could do so (and couldn't afford an appeal) as there was no rule violation at that time for him to continue coaching. The rules changed by WADA in early 2015 so that he would no longer be able to coach but he and UVA were unaware of that until a competing ACC coach started sending out letters in the summer of 2015 to everyone/anyone they thought would help get Maric out. It wasn't until August 2015 that UVA and Maric confirmed he could no longer coach and was informed at that time he had to submit the appeal a full year early when suspended.
I can assure you Maric had virtually zero contact with his throwers last year as a coach. I would say each thrower maybe saw him socially for a total of 1-2 hours from September 2015 to August 2016 and he would usually leave if they were in the same place together.
The throws coach last year, Mesic, took the job for the year with the full understanding he could coach as he wanted to for the year and would then leave.
The question is, with programs like uva leading the way in terms of showing such tolerance/support for doping/doper's, how prevalent is doping in the NCAA? If your coach/AD/usccctfa/the NCAA has no problem with it, and you have the means/ambition/morally bankrupt aptitude it takes....
The question is, with programs like uva leading the way in terms of showing such tolerance/support for doping/doper's, how prevalent is doping in the NCAA? If your coach/AD/usccctfa/the NCAA has no problem with it, and you have the means/ambition/morally bankrupt aptitude it takes....
the governing federation for the athlete found that it was accidental due to tainted supplements. I dont see where a program should destroy a career over an accidental doping. Intentional would be a different situation.
Interesting update but few questions in response...
1. Do you have a link to said English report? Especially curious as to how you end up ingesting an Ostarine tainted supplement?...
2. You say the rules changed in early 2015 (and that Maric and UVA were unaware of the changes), so does that mean prior to that a convicted doper COULD still coach athletes in international competitions like Maric supposedly did in the summer of 2015? I'm not familiar with all the rules but it seems fairly obvious that if you were banned, the two things you would definitely not be able to do are 1. Compete and 2. Coach.
3. Biggest question is why wasn't Uva up front about it being a tainted supplement, here is the report, blah blah blah? Instead they tried to sweep it under the rug and then when called out on it, were really secretive and shady?
Simple google search produces this:
So an experienced international athlete would take something like SARMs without doing a little research? Sure....
Agreed with your first point, and the fact that Maric was (at worst) doping himself, not other athletes, is relevant. If the school administration is convinced he is rehabilitated and is a good and caring coach, then it is to their credit to give him a second chance. U.Va. may appear cynical in this situation but a more glaring example of cynicism is when a school forgives a revenue sport coach for things that destroy a track coach's career.
Your rhetorical question raises a fair point, and I do not know Coach Maric, but I can say that I got to watch Remy out in SF, and he is a great coach - I would send my son and/or daughter to him in a minute.