Sasuke wrote:
He is weak in SP, DT and JT. So basically all the throws. He is strong at 400, 1500, LJ. He is good at HJ, PV, 100m. He is decent at 110hs. In the Eptathlon he has just one throw and 1000m where he is better than 1500m.
Correct, being 4th in the world with the potential to be #1 even if it's indoors in the hept is more than he's likely to get in the 800.
I thought that he outkicked Andrews in that high school 800m. Beach has been undone by his high school records in the decathlon with hs and international implements, because they suggested that he was the best prospect in the decathlon we'd ever had. But he has never been able to throw very far in the shot, discus, or javelin. His marks in other events are excellent, though some are still significantly behind Eaton. For instance, he has jumped something like 2.07m in the hj, which is excellent for a decathlete, he has long jumped 7.88m, also excellent, he's gotten his 100m time down to 10.52 last year from 11.05 in high school, he's run 46.72 in the 400m, not in Eaton's league but a good time for an 800m runner who has gained weight for the decathlon. He also has the heptathlon record of 2:27 and a pr in the 800m of 1:47.75. His future is either in the 800m or 400m hurdles, but I don't think he has enough 400m speed to run 47.xx or maybe even low 48, which are needed to contend for world medals.
You have to assume the best 400m hurdlers are sub 46 guys at least and some like Angelo Taylor have been low 44 guys. That makes the 800m his best event. Curtis, go for it!
Got Over It wrote:
He could have been on several teams for the 800 in that period, from all available evidence.
Ridiculous statement.
jjjjjj wrote:
I thought that he outkicked Andrews in that high school 800m. Beach has been undone by his high school records in the decathlon with hs and international implements, because they suggested that he was the best prospect in the decathlon we'd ever had. But he has never been able to throw very far in the shot, discus, or javelin. His marks in other events are excellent, though some are still significantly behind Eaton. For instance, he has jumped something like 2.07m in the hj, which is excellent for a decathlete, he has long jumped 7.88m, also excellent, he's gotten his 100m time down to 10.52 last year from 11.05 in high school, he's run 46.72 in the 400m, not in Eaton's league but a good time for an 800m runner who has gained weight for the decathlon. He also has the heptathlon record of 2:27 and a pr in the 800m of 1:47.75. His future is either in the 800m or 400m hurdles, but I don't think he has enough 400m speed to run 47.xx or maybe even low 48, which are needed to contend for world medals.
You have to assume the best 400m hurdlers are sub 46 guys at least and some like Angelo Taylor have been low 44 guys. That makes the 800m his best event. Curtis, go for it!
46.7 isn't exactly blistering for an 800m guy though. It is unknowable how much faster he would be if he dropped the field events.
I don't know if out of high school it was reasonable to assume he wouldn't be able to gain the strength/technique needed to be competitive in the throws. But he clearly hasn't been able to make that step. I don't know how many people improve much in their late 20s but it doesn't seem likely. To me it seems like the reason to keep doing the dec is the money. If Nike stopped paying, taking 2 years to see what you could do in the 800m would be very interesting.
whattheheck wrote:
jjjjjj wrote:I thought that he outkicked Andrews in that high school 800m. Beach has been undone by his high school records in the decathlon with hs and international implements, because they suggested that he was the best prospect in the decathlon we'd ever had. But he has never been able to throw very far in the shot, discus, or javelin. His marks in other events are excellent, though some are still significantly behind Eaton. For instance, he has jumped something like 2.07m in the hj, which is excellent for a decathlete, he has long jumped 7.88m, also excellent, he's gotten his 100m time down to 10.52 last year from 11.05 in high school, he's run 46.72 in the 400m, not in Eaton's league but a good time for an 800m runner who has gained weight for the decathlon. He also has the heptathlon record of 2:27 and a pr in the 800m of 1:47.75. His future is either in the 800m or 400m hurdles, but I don't think he has enough 400m speed to run 47.xx or maybe even low 48, which are needed to contend for world medals.
You have to assume the best 400m hurdlers are sub 46 guys at least and some like Angelo Taylor have been low 44 guys. That makes the 800m his best event. Curtis, go for it!
46.7 isn't exactly blistering for an 800m guy though. It is unknowable how much faster he would be if he dropped the field events.
I don't know if out of high school it was reasonable to assume he wouldn't be able to gain the strength/technique needed to be competitive in the throws. But he clearly hasn't been able to make that step. I don't know how many people improve much in their late 20s but it doesn't seem likely. To me it seems like the reason to keep doing the dec is the money. If Nike stopped paying, taking 2 years to see what you could do in the 800m would be very interesting.
After not making the olympic team, it may be that we just saw the first step on this path.
Got Over It wrote:
[quote]disgraceful_admin wrote:
[quote]jjjjjj wrote:
He probably sees himself as having world record potential in the decathlon, so focusing on the 800m is a little crazy and very risky.
He has been doing multis for what, 6 years? and hasn't even made a national team. He could have been on several teams for the 800 in that period, from all available evidence. And, I should add, with a lot less work overall.[/quote
Does 4th at world indoors count as a national team?
Got Over It wrote:
[quote]disgraceful_admin wrote:
[quote]jjjjjj wrote:
He probably sees himself as having world record potential in the decathlon, so focusing on the 800m is a little crazy and very risky.
He has been doing multis for what, 6 years? and hasn't even made a national team. He could have been on several teams for the 800 in that period, from all available evidence. And, I should add, with a lot less work overall.[/quote
Does 4th at world indoors count as a national team?
1 1058 Andrews, Robby 09 Manalapan HS 1:50.05
2 120 Kaiser, Nick 11 Bedford HS 1:50.47
3 31 Beach, Curtis 09 Albuquerque 1:50.75
B Jackson ran 1:51 early in the season and went on to run 47mid 400H. It would be cool to see Beach stay with the multi events and just keep knocking time off in these two events every year until THAT training gets him there. I believe it could (at least for 400H)