Jordan McNamara Wants to Work With Yorks or Someone in the Final: "It's top 3 with the time or it doesn't matter"

I think they should have gone for it in the semifinals as well

But hey, it can't be too bad to do it in the finals, because Leo Monzano/Andrew Wheating are not in sub-3:36.20 shape so they are eliminated

Robby Andrews has a kick and has sub-3:36.20 potential, but his kick in a little more lethal in slower races so he's a maybe

CENTRO is just a straight up lock

The only one who really benefits from this pace in my opinion is this situation I feel is Ben Blankenship and I had him 3rd/4th between him and Manzano (w/ the standard) in the final anyways assuming it was a slow race, but I'll take him at 2nd/3rd between him and Andrews if the pace is fast

That leaves one spot available for McNamara, Yorks, or Alexander because they possess sub 3:36.20 potential, so why not increase your chances?

Think of it like this, they make it, that's great, but if it not, they gained support by making it a race, they get applauded for having the balls to do what they did, and if they get last, who cares?

It's not like there's going to be much of a difference in their contract bonus if they get 5th vs 12th if any, so why do they care?

They have a couple races in Europe later on to make up for a disappointing trials

LetsRun.com wrote:

To do that, Jordan says he has has to have another running working with him. He knows Izaic Yorks is a prime candidate

What he is saying is that he wants someone else to set the pace for him, because he's too weak to do it himself.

Good grief.

If it wants the pace to be fast, then RUN FAST.

He said he would rather run an honest race and get last. I don't think he is worried about the rest of the field (Centro, Andrews, etc.) knowing his plan. Maybe if the top contenders know JMac's plan, they'll be forced to run honest races as well if they want the spots that they are expected to take.

I think it will be an interesting final because you have five guys with the standard who have a vested interest in making it slow race (slower than the standard at least) because that way they only have to worry about beating two other guys.

Will Centro or any of the other Standard Bearers try to go to the front early and slow down the pace, a la Mo Farah?

Then you have probably 3 or 4 guys without the standard who are capable of that time under the right conditions. Finishing top three doesn't mean much to them unless they hit the standard in this race so it's now or never.

And of course there is Wheating. He doesn't have the standard. Doesn't care about getting the standard, but wants to win the race. That's not going to happen but I can easily see him getting in the way on the last lap with his long, stupid limbs and throwing a wrench into someone else's plan.

Good for Jordan. He gets it. I, for one, am tired of seeing D-III times in a national championship race. Guys like Wheating need to go for it. What are they saving it for?

Fngfhnnfhnfhfhn wrote:

I remember him a couple of months ago starring down a guy in the last 10m of a race, where he came from way behind and kicked for the win in 3:38...

Maybe that would have been a better time to try to run 3:36.2

If he had enough energy to stare down the guy who ended up finishing second, maybe he should have gone up there in the last 500m to try to make it a 3:36 race... Instead of simply kicking hard in the last 100m

Wow. This really makes me hope he doesn't get it. If you care more about acting like a thug and trying to intimidate your opponent than running the standard when you have the chance, I'm not rooting for you to grab it later.

macdaddy wrote:

Well, he and a few buddies (Leer & Macowski?) attempted the same thing in 2012... failed miserably.

Yep. This just isn't a good idea. An olympic berth is a lost cause. You're not going to set the pace for guys like Manzano, Centro, Blankenship, and Andrews and make the team. Why pursue a pipe dream instead of trying to finish as well as you possibly can in the national championship? Has JMac ever even made the top 10 before?

Big Meany wrote:

Why pursue a pipe dream instead of trying to finish as well as you possibly can in the national championship?

Uhh, because he's run 3:34 and if he pulls this off then he goes to the Olympics? Who gives a damn about placing 5th at nats?

DM me bro wrote:

Take them to the danger zone

Call it Top Run:

markeroon wrote:

Who gives a damn about placing 5th at nats?

Uhh, sponsors.

Big Meany wrote:

macdaddy wrote:

Well, he and a few buddies (Leer & Macowski?) attempted the same thing in 2012... failed miserably.

Yep. This just isn't a good idea. An olympic berth is a lost cause. You're not going to set the pace for guys like Manzano, Centro, Blankenship, and Andrews and make the team. Why pursue a pipe dream instead of trying to finish as well as you possibly can in the national championship? Has JMac ever even made the top 10 before?

Because they want to go to the Olympics? Why not give it a shot? Last I heard the Only way is trying, what's the point of being like I'll be 5th or 7th. Like Noah lyles said "I'm not here to participate", it's good to see guys wanna give it a go.

T&F Nut wrote:

Good for Jordan. He gets it. I, for one, am tired of seeing D-III times in a national championship race. Guys like Wheating need to go for it. What are they saving it for?

+1

Gonna cheer hard for JMac and Yorks.

talk is cheap, lets see if he actually goes out and does it. I personally wouldnt be surprised to see this "alliance" turns out to be mcnamara sitting on yorks while yorks does all the work leading for the standard. I would believe it far more coming from yorks, since before the NCAA 1500 final he said that he didnt want to leave it to a kick against murphy so he and wynne actually worked together and tried to push the pace (didn't end up working, but they damn sure tried).

usnspecialist wrote:

talk is cheap, lets see if he actually goes out and does it.

I have my doubts.

Wheating looked strong in the semis, but he has got to get closer to the front with a lap to go. He is not going to pass seven people in the homestretch. I'd love to see what Yorks could run with some help from others. A solo 3:36 is awfully hard to do and the other guys will be fresh with all that drafting. The question is always whether anyone is willing to sacrifice himself to pace for the first 1k. Yorks is a frontrunner but he needs a couple laps help. 3:53 mile is equivalent to something close to 3:36. If three guys alternated the lead in the first 1200m, they would not have to sacrifice their races. Yorks, McNamara, and Merber?

Big Meany wrote:

markeroon wrote:

Who gives a damn about placing 5th at nats?

Uhh, sponsors.

ATTENTION JORDAN'S SPONSORS: Jordan's attitude and plan to get the needed time or die trying is exactly what we want to see in our athletes. If he goes for it and comes up 8th or 9th, please award his bonus and contract extension just as you would have it he got 4th or 5th. He's about the make the most important race of the year on American soil worth watching. Recognize that and act accordingly. None of the fans care who got 5th -- we want to see guys going for it.

jjjjjj wrote:

Wheating looked strong in the semis, but he has got to get closer to the front with a lap to go. He is not going to pass seven people in the homestretch. I'd love to see what Yorks could run with some help from others. A solo 3:36 is awfully hard to do and the other guys will be fresh with all that drafting. The question is always whether anyone is willing to sacrifice himself to pace for the first 1k. Yorks is a frontrunner but he needs a couple laps help. 3:53 mile is equivalent to something close to 3:36. If three guys alternated the lead in the first 1200m, they would not have to sacrifice their races. Yorks, McNamara, and Merber?

Merber would be foolish to help anyone else get the standard

What a wimp wrote:

LetsRun.com wrote:

To do that, Jordan says he has has to have another running working with him. He knows Izaic Yorks is a prime candidate

What he is saying is that he wants someone else to set the pace for him, because he's too weak to do it himself.

Good grief.

If it wants the pace to be fast, then RUN FAST.

Exactly. This idea of teaming up will never work because at least one of the "pacers" will have a change of heart midway through the race.

The only way to ensure a fast race is a la Alan Webb or Herb Elliot.

jjjjjj wrote:

Wheating looked strong in the semis, but he has got to get closer to the front with a lap to go. He is not going to pass seven people in the homestretch. I'd love to see what Yorks could run with some help from others. A solo 3:36 is awfully hard to do and the other guys will be fresh with all that drafting. The question is always whether anyone is willing to sacrifice himself to pace for the first 1k. Yorks is a frontrunner but he needs a couple laps help. 3:53 mile is equivalent to something close to 3:36. If three guys alternated the lead in the first 1200m, they would not have to sacrifice their races. Yorks, McNamara, and Merber?

Merber has absolutely no reason to push the race fast, as he already has the standard and having just come off the injury, is more likely to do better in a slower race than one which is fast from the gun anyway.