You have the wrong CR in the Brazier story! It's not Ryun's.

Les wrote:

Conversions do not count as records, only times taken en route. Since that didn't happen with Ryun he can't be credited with the 800 record.

And what fault is it of Ryun's that he was forced to run 880y and then the powerless bees changed the distance to 800m? None. The 880y was not run after the changed occurred so you claim has ZERO merit.

Imaginary numbers wrote:

Les wrote:

Conversions do not count as records, only times taken en route. Since that didn't happen with Ryun he can't be credited with the 800 record.

And what fault is it of Ryun's that he was forced to run 880y and then the powerless bees changed the distance to 800m? None. The 880y was not run after the changed occurred so you claim has ZERO merit.

It doesn't matter. His official time is 1:44.9. A conversion doesn't make sense.

Ryun will forever hold the 880y record and that has merit in itself. He isn't entitled to be the 800m record holder because of that performance.

You have to be pragmatic about a record. Trying to determine the time he actually passed 800m in based upon a time for ~805m is impossible. If he actually passed 800m in say 1:44.37 and Brazier ran 1:44.35 it would be incredibly unfair to not give Brazier the record because the conversion says Ryun's run was worth 1:43.3.

1:44.9 is his record for 880y and 800m. It is the only conclusion that makes logical sense.

Les wrote:

HardLoper wrote:

They're as legitimate as any other record keepers.

I would have to say that their influence, which was once unquestioned, has waned considerably as has their legitimacy. Very strange how inconsistent they are with their own rules for record keeping. Only in-season performances count as "collegiate records" for their purposes, yet they count high school performances out of high school only competition as high school records. Very curious and questionable.

Letsrun should start our own set of records. We'd be just as legitimate as T&FN.

This is all true

Metric Miler wrote:

1:44.9 is his record for 880y and 800m. It is the only conclusion that makes logical sense.

Nope.

Light Speed wrote:

Metric Miler wrote:

The only time officially recorded is 1:44.9 and so there is only one true statement: Jim Ryun must have covered 800m in no slower than 1:44.9.

You statement is an impossibility. It violates the laws of physics. Going from 800m to 880y in zero time faster than the speed of light. Not possible. Ergo, Ryun ran faster than 1:44.9 to pass the 800m mark.

800m = 874.891y

874.891y = .99419 x 880y

.99419 x 1:44.9 = 1:44.3 (1:44.29 rounded up)

It is really very simple maths.

Clearly, I stated he ran no slower than 1:44.9 for 800m. That is a guaranteed certainty that I can assure you to 100% accuracy and is a statement of pure possibility. He certainly ran faster, but he certainly didn't run any slower. The recorded time is all we have and is the only data point valid for a record.

You cannot tell me with any certainty the time that Ryun actually passed 800m in.

Your maths is cute, can you tell me what time he passed 567m in please?

Metric Miler wrote:

Your maths is cute, can you tell me what time he passed 567m in please?

You are obviously one of those guys who uses 1600m as mile times. So, your 4:59 mile PR was actually a 1600m PR. What fault is it of yours that tracks were shrunk? None at all. You can claim 4:59 as your mile PR and simply ignore you ran a lesser distance.

Metric Miler wrote:

You cannot tell me with any certainty the time that Ryun actually passed 800m in.

Yes you can. It's called common sense.

You cannot talk common sense to a troll who uses 1600m for his mile PR.

Metric Miler wrote:

Light Speed wrote:

You statement is an impossibility. It violates the laws of physics. Going from 800m to 880y in zero time faster than the speed of light. Not possible. Ergo, Ryun ran faster than 1:44.9 to pass the 800m mark.

800m = 874.891y

874.891y = .99419 x 880y

.99419 x 1:44.9 = 1:44.3 (1:44.29 rounded up)

It is really very simple maths.

Clearly, I stated he ran no slower than 1:44.9 for 800m. That is a guaranteed certainty that I can assure you to 100% accuracy and is a statement of pure possibility. He certainly ran faster, but he certainly didn't run any slower. The recorded time is all we have and is the only data point valid for a record.

You cannot tell me with any certainty the time that Ryun actually passed 800m in.

Your maths is cute, can you tell me what time he passed 567m in please?

This might be the single biggest load you have ever dumped MM .

Lots of states have mile records and seperate 1600m records and in some cases the mile is faster than the 1600m record. So you have two records. Simple as that. Now to claim that you can't claim superiority of the longer distance run faster is dumb. Brazier will have to run 1:43 something to claim the best 800 by a d1 runner.

Metric Miler wrote:

Light Speed wrote:

You statement is an impossibility. It violates the laws of physics. Going from 800m to 880y in zero time faster than the speed of light. Not possible. Ergo, Ryun ran faster than 1:44.9 to pass the 800m mark.

800m = 874.891y

874.891y = .99419 x 880y

.99419 x 1:44.9 = 1:44.3 (1:44.29 rounded up)

It is really very simple maths.

Clearly, I stated he ran no slower than 1:44.9 for 800m. That is a guaranteed certainty that I can assure you to 100% accuracy and is a statement of pure possibility. He certainly ran faster, but he certainly didn't run any slower. The recorded time is all we have and is the only data point valid for a record.

You cannot tell me with any certainty the time that Ryun actually passed 800m in.

Your maths is cute, can you tell me what time he passed 567m in please?

Light speed clearly doesn't know how logic works if he thinks your statement is an impossibility....your statement is undeniable and 100% factual. Anyone can argue the split or project out the math, but what you said is correct.

0/10 Metric Miler v2

I am genuinely surprised at the lack of common sense in this thread. Of course you cannot tell me what time Jim Ryun passed 800m in during his 880y time.

We can argue and say he passed it in 1:44.10 or 1:44.22 or 1:44.31 or 1:44.34 or 1:44.20 or 1:44.40 or 1:44.37. Literally nobody knows! I will grant that some of those possibilities are more likely than others, but that is not a definitive answer by any means.

It makes absolutely no sense to just decide that it was 1:44.30 out of all the possibilities and only by running 1:44.29 does another collegiate take the record.

The only correct, logical, and 100% infallible statement is that he cannot have run 800m slower than 1:44.9 and so that stands as the record. The only recorded time.

The only reason someone would argue otherwise is because they like Jim Ryun and want him to hold the record.

Sir, you are welcome to claim that Ryun's 1:44.9 was a better or more superior performance than a potential 1:44.2 800m run. Especially since Ryun ran his in the '60s I am inclined to agree with you.

That doesn't make it a record. Records are literally black and white recorded data points; there is no room for opinion.

Metric Miler wrote:

I'm a troll. Can you tell?

Yes, something we have known for a very long time.

1600m mile wrote:

Metric Miler wrote:

I'm a troll. Can you tell?

Yes, something we have known for a very long time.

I don't know if you think that is clever or something, using the quote function built into this forum, but OK.

Clearly the only troll here is you, since you have offered nothing to the thread, haven't given any counter arguments to my position and just started making something up about a 1600m PB? I've never run a 1600m. What kind of American horseshit is that?

Metric Miler wrote:

1600m mile wrote:

Yes, something we have known for a very long time.

I don't know if you think that is clever or something, using the quote function built into this forum, but OK.

Clearly the only troll here is you, since you have offered nothing to the thread, haven't given any counter arguments to my position and just started making something up about a 1600m PB? I've never run a 1600m. What kind of American horseshit is that?

Chillax, he is making fun of your username.

Metric Miler wrote:

1600m mile wrote:

Yes, something we have known for a very long time.

I don't know if you think that is clever or something, using the quote function built into this forum, but OK.

Clearly the only troll here is you, since you have offered nothing to the thread, haven't given any counter arguments to my position and just started making something up about a 1600m PB? I've never run a 1600m. What kind of American horseshit is that?

You got carried away about your claim that there is no difference between meters and miles. You outed yourself as a troll long before this thread. You are doing nothing more than digging yourself into a deeper, and deeper hole.

I feel like I should post something on this thread, even though I don't have a very strong opinion on the 800 CR.

I think once the 800 CR surpasses the old 880 record on a nominal basis, you list both records until the 800 surpasses there old record on an intrinsic basis. A similar thing is often done for hand times bs auto times (I think this is a case where that applies as well).

Diametrical Myles wrote:

Metric Miler wrote:

I don't know if you think that is clever or something, using the quote function built into this forum, but OK.

Clearly the only troll here is you, since you have offered nothing to the thread, haven't given any counter arguments to my position and just started making something up about a 1600m PB? I've never run a 1600m. What kind of American horseshit is that?

You got carried away about your claim that there is no difference between meters and miles. You outed yourself as a troll long before this thread. You are doing nothing more than digging yourself into a deeper, and deeper hole.

I think you might have a learning difficulty. No difference between metres and miles? WHAT?!