Sunken Chest wrote:
Big Red wrote:Oops, I forgot the big pink elephant in the room, a tough hombre named Rupp. If he toes the line in the 10K, only a fool would think he'd get dropped. He has the stuff to go with any break, with the exception that he needs to come up with a superior final 300.
Oh, please.
Rupp is at his peak and working on his kick. All that marathoner mileage plus another 4 years honing his kick from 2012 means a gold in the Rio 10K and a gold in the marathon.
Gotta be Rupp wrote:
Sunken Chest wrote:Oh, please.
Rupp is at his peak and working on his kick. All that marathoner mileage plus another 4 years honing his kick from 2012 means a gold in the Rio 10K and a gold in the marathon.
I like the way you think. I surely hope the best for Rupp in Rio
No way does Farah ever run 26:17, for that matter. Someone may have been with Bekele at the halfway point of his WR run (~13:10) but I doubt it. Either way, he was alone in the final kilos of his race. Farah blames a lack of viable pacers for his failure to approach Bekele's WR. Farah can't/won't do it alone, but, for sure, Kamworor will try. It may not have worked at Pre or last summer in Beijing, but it worked in Cardiff at the World Half Champs. Kamworor is going to crush the early pace in the Rio 10k, and Farah will either have to let him go, or run a completely different kind of race than he's used to. He's shown no ability to run that kind of race so far.
chilhowee wrote:
No way does Farah ever run 26:17, for that matter. Someone may have been with Bekele at the halfway point of his WR run (~13:10) but I doubt it. Either way, he was alone in the final kilos of his race. Farah blames a lack of viable pacers for his failure to approach Bekele's WR. Farah can't/won't do it alone, but, for sure, Kamworor will try. It may not have worked at Pre or last summer in Beijing, but it worked in Cardiff at the World Half Champs. Kamworor is going to crush the early pace in the Rio 10k, and Farah will either have to let him go, or run a completely different kind of race than he's used to. He's shown no ability to run that kind of race so far.
It's worth mentioning that Kenenisa ran substantial portions of both his WRs solo.
I really really really want Kamworor to do something big this year. I just have no faith in any of these guys' ability as tacticians. I just don't get how no one works together anymore. I watched some older races recently and you can see Kenyans and Ethiopians (and Tadese hammering solo..) working together and wearing each other down. Surges. Impeding. Words exchanged. Shoving. Passion...
It's gonna be the Slow Mo Show until he retires. 😑
Kam is in full warrior mode and intent on taking names in Rio. He's far more talented than Farah and Cardiff was just a glimpse of things to come. About time we got back to the best runners (not a mere sit & kick specialist) winning the men's 5 & 10 ks. Expect DNFs and the usual excuses (illness, missed training, shoe got loose) after the carnage.
How do you figure he's more talented? How do you measure that?
John Caprioitti is the OP.
If anything goes wrong to Mo Farah, I'll blame the treadmill.
The treadmill messes up the running form and waists training time.
Lada wrote:
How do you figure he's more talented? How do you measure that?
Cardiff.
A bitter man wrote:
He is NOT in the shape of his life. I know for a fact that he is nowhere near his training times from 2012 and 2013.
ORLY? he ran this workout the other day:
12x800 in 1:45 with :30 rest
No 5k wrote:
Sunken Chest wrote:Oh, please.
The big pink elephant is not running the 5k.
My sentiments are like Sunken Chest\\\'s, but that\\\'s not the point. No 5k\\\'s statement has no bearing on this argument. If Rupp beats Mo over 10K, his non-running of the 5K does not matter. The premise this thread is talking about is simply about whether Mo Farah wins double gold in the 5K and 10K.
What it comes down to, no matter who wins, is that Kam has bigger balls than Mo.
stimple logic wrote:
My sentiments are like Sunken Chest\'s, but that\'s not the point. No 5k\'s statement has no bearing on this argument. If Rupp beats Mo over 10K, his non-running of the 5K does not matter. The premise this thread is talking about is simply about whether Mo Farah wins double gold in the 5K and 10K.
Stimple, what is up with all the \'s??? Backslashing is poor Engrish Grammer.
Wow lol wrote:
He will take the 5k no problem. If guys like Kejelcha and Ndiku could remain consistent then he would atleast be challenged. However he won't... unless Edris is having a breakout year. He's been looking damn good his last 2 wins.
10k is a whole other matter. When everything is said and done Kam will be the GOAT. You heard it here first. He will have world records in the 10k, half, and marathon. However in Rio, it's up in the air. He is still very young, wereas Mo in my opinion is slightly past his peak, but still riding it. If Kam makes it fast and gets Karoki and Tanui (that will obviously be the Kenyan team) to help him out a bit and make it a fast race (I'm talking at minimum sub 26:45, which is well within Tanui and Karoki to atleast help him up to 8k) then Farah can be beat. And it wouldn't necessarily be that Kam beat him alone, but for once he gets outsmarted by the Kenyan tactics. However if it is another jog fest for 9600 meters, Mo will win another "glorious" (not really) gold medal like it was a cake walk.
Kam will never be the GOAT. He will never even be in the discussion.
People keep talking about his potential as if he's 18, but he's 22. That's not "very young" for an elite distance runner.
Bekele was 21 when he set the 5k WR and 23 when he set the 10k WR.
Komen was 20 when he set the 3000 WR.
Wanjiru broke the HM WR when he was 18.
If you've been a full time pro for several years by the age of 22, then what you see is probably what you get.
800 dude wrote:
Wow lol wrote:He will take the 5k no problem. If guys like Kejelcha and Ndiku could remain consistent then he would atleast be challenged. However he won't... unless Edris is having a breakout year. He's been looking damn good his last 2 wins.
10k is a whole other matter. When everything is said and done Kam will be the GOAT. You heard it here first. He will have world records in the 10k, half, and marathon. However in Rio, it's up in the air. He is still very young, wereas Mo in my opinion is slightly past his peak, but still riding it. If Kam makes it fast and gets Karoki and Tanui (that will obviously be the Kenyan team) to help him out a bit and make it a fast race (I'm talking at minimum sub 26:45, which is well within Tanui and Karoki to atleast help him up to 8k) then Farah can be beat. And it wouldn't necessarily be that Kam beat him alone, but for once he gets outsmarted by the Kenyan tactics. However if it is another jog fest for 9600 meters, Mo will win another "glorious" (not really) gold medal like it was a cake walk.
Kam will never be the GOAT. He will never even be in the discussion.
People keep talking about his potential as if he's 18, but he's 22. That's not "very young" for an elite distance runner.
Bekele was 21 when he set the 5k WR and 23 when he set the 10k WR.
Komen was 20 when he set the 3000 WR.
Wanjiru broke the HM WR when he was 18.
If you've been a full time pro for several years by the age of 22, then what you see is probably what you get.
What was Mo doing when he was 22? ;)
Tron wrote:
800 dude wrote:Kam will never be the GOAT. He will never even be in the discussion.
People keep talking about his potential as if he's 18, but he's 22. That's not "very young" for an elite distance runner.
Bekele was 21 when he set the 5k WR and 23 when he set the 10k WR.
Komen was 20 when he set the 3000 WR.
Wanjiru broke the HM WR when he was 18.
If you've been a full time pro for several years by the age of 22, then what you see is probably what you get.
What was Mo doing when he was 22? ;)
🔥
Clearly not push-ups.
shapeshifter wrote:
A bitter man wrote:He is NOT in the shape of his life. I know for a fact that he is nowhere near his training times from 2012 and 2013.
ORLY? he ran this workout the other day:
12x800 in 1:45 with :30 rest
I would believe 1:50-1:52. His fastest 800 in a race would be 1:45.
Of course Farah cannot run 26:17. That is clear and he has said it himself. His true ability may never be known as he has no interest is putting down really fast times. Running 26:35 or so doesn't give you anything. Farah concentrates solely on the big championships.
However, letsrun is forever trying to point out runners that are apparently faster than Mo. We will see what happens but thus far I cannot see the sense in toting Kamoworor for the win. He tried to make it fast in Beijing and Farah still had an extra gear (maybe 2).
Farah is MUCH faster over 5000m (likely could run 12:42) and runs a pretty decent HM. Kamoworor ran an OK 5k (Iguider has broken 13 minutes too remember) and is extremely good over the half (maybe WR in future) but just does not look as good on the track; he is far more comfortable on the roads, just doesn't have the speed.
The 5000m represents 10,000m ability better than a half marathon. Think Tadese vs Bekele.
backsashed wrote:
stimple logic wrote:My sentiments are like Sunken Chest's, but that's not the point. No 5k's statement has no bearing on this argument. If Rupp beats Mo over 10K, his non-running of the 5K does not matter. The premise this thread is talking about is simply about whether Mo Farah wins double gold in the 5K and 10K.
Stimple, what is up with all the 's??? Backslashing is poor Engrish Grammer.
That is the historic letsrun.com forum software screwing up regular old apostrophes (ASCII #39)
Kid from somewhere wrote:
shapeshifter wrote:ORLY? he ran this workout the other day:
12x800 in 1:45 with :30 rest
I would believe 1:50-1:52. His fastest 800 in a race would be 1:45.
sorry, not his workout. that was just his warmup.