HOLY S--T!!! NPR Predicts that Bernie Sanders Will Run as a 3rd Party Candidate

Don't get me started on winner-take-all contests on the Republican side or those silly super delegates on the Democratic side.

GuyWithAClue wrote:

silly super delegates! Super delegates can accept money legally from PACs to cast their vote in support of one candidate or the other. Legal bribery.

Yes, that concept is "silly". It is also outrageous, undemocratic, and unfair. It doesn't have to be mutually exclusive.

He won't be a third party, he'll be a fourth party. Ultrarunner Gary Johnson is the third party. He would probably team up with treehugger Jill Stein.

Haz Bin wrote:

Don't get me started on winner-take-all contests on the Republican side or those silly super delegates on the Democratic side.

GuyWithAClue wrote:

silly super delegates! Super delegates can accept money legally from PACs to cast their vote in support of one candidate or the other. Legal bribery.

Yes, that concept is "silly". It is also outrageous, undemocratic, and unfair. It doesn't have to be mutually exclusive.

Yeah, that's silly and outrageous, undemocratic, and unfair. Then how about caucus?

Papa Smurf wrote:

At least Trump embraces his egomania. At this point, Trump is the devil we know, which is better than Gargamel (Sanders) and Azreal (Clinton)

Actually, Trump is Vanity Smurf. And Bernie is Papa Smurf.

funny that how Bill wins could be how Hillary loses

"Nightmare"? "Status quo"? Concern for political parties?

The sooner to a "Ctrl+Alt+Del" for status quo since 2001 (domestic gestapos), 1990 (war without end), 1980s (financialization of everything, health/pharma illegal monopolies), 1946 (empire for benefit of multinationals) and 1913 (paying interest on public debt to a private corporation and currency debasement), the better, whether it is via Sanders or Trump.

The national political parties are fake wrestling entertainment money-sucking shows writ large.

56 citizens signed their own death warrants in July 1776 and people now are too scared to upset the corrupt status quo by an election. Doesn't make sense, unless they are outsized beneficiaries of said status quo.

Washington: against political parties and entangling foreign alliances

Jefferson and Jackson: against private banking interests taking over the finances of the country. Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley and JFK had something to say about that, too.

John Quincy Adams - "But she goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy."

Eisenhower: warned about MIC (but didn;t do much against the Dulles Boys himself)

Yes. He will not run as an independent. He will do well in California, but he will not do well enough to get the nomination or force a brokered convention. He would have to win by about 75% in each state to make that happen. Bernie means what he says. Just look at his speeches from the past 30 years.

By staying in the race to the convention, Bernie remains relevant and is able to get Democrats to move left to the liberal Warren/Sanders side of the party. The convention is much more than just a finale for the primary. A lot of decisions are made about who controls the party. Strong result from Bernie give the progressive wing a seat at the table. In the past, the progressive wing has been dismissed by the more centrist/pragmatic democrats.

Nutella1 wrote:

Bernie will eventually give up and endorse HRC but it won't be cheap.

He will sneak in some of his positions as a prerequisite.

Once HRC promises $15 minimum wage and higher taxes on Wall St bonuses, he will endorse her.

If he has any hope for a positive legacy from this election, and subsequently for his ideas to be cast in a positive light, he cannot run as a third party candidate and gift wrap the POTUS to Trump. This strikes me as the rare instance where someone who can end someone else's presidential run doesn't actually have that much leverage.

The Clintons would pay him off before he'd run as a 3rd

Fantastic news. Go Bernie!

If you discount Super PAC Delegates, Bernie actually still has a good chance of winning - considering Calif.

AIPAC will have Bern assassinated to save the Jewish State of Israel.

Nutella1 wrote:

Anyway, I believe he will only endorse her if she shifts to the left.

Without the Bernie bros, she will lose.

She's not going left. She's got to go Right to pick up those moderates that tend to decide elections for President.

She's got an overwhelming number of party votes going into their convention, so that's a done deal. A Clinton/Sanders ticket would be very good for the party. But, I doubt Clinton's team wants a troublemaker like Sanders around.

Very interested to see what happens to the Dean of Clown College at the convention.

Nutella1 wrote:

Anyway, I believe he will only endorse her if she shifts to the left.

Without the Bernie bros, she will lose.

Do you really think the Bernie phags will support Trump? Bernie can say "don't vote for Hillary" and they will still vote for her. They aren't loyal or educated so they'll vote democrat even if Hillary promises to raise their taxes and cut their welfare checks.

I drink, and I know things wrote:

It would be a GENUINE 3-way race. I do believe that he would beat Hillary in a general election; after all, there are only so many 65-75-year-old dried up feminazis out there.

I know they didn't teach you this in school, but the system is not set up for three or more parties to effectively govern. A third party candidate splits party line votes weakening one party or another in the electoral college.

Sorry. He'd be a good Veep for the party in a general election.

Dropping out during the primary season doesn't define your party loyalty. Sanders has made Clinton a more effective general election candidate by pushing her to take what for her count as principled stands on issues paramount to Democratic and left-Independent (many of Sanders' supporters) voters. I don't think that there has been talk about him running as a third party candidate, unless someone was hoping to undermine his victory in Indiana and undermine his chances in California. He has been talking recently about staying on message and getting the Party to take on his issues at the Convention. It is helping the working and middle class and poor people of this country that he has made his chief reason for this campaign and it has largely worked, despite his vast deficit in superdelegates and considerably smaller deficit in pledged delegates.

+1

GuyWithAClue wrote:

Gary Johnson - Nuff Said.

http://www.newsday.com/opinion/columnists/william-f-b-o-reilly/this-year-could-be-different-for-libertarian-gary-johnson-1.11748726

GENUINE 3-way race . . . L O LClinton wind the 10k raceTrump is a DNF, can't go a lap without going into a bigoted rant, and a seizureSanders is DNS. No money. No runny.

It would be SOOOOOO fitting if a 3rd-party candidate kept Hillary out of the White House.

If Ross Perot hadn't run as an independent in 1992 (and received 23% of the popular vote), Hillary Clinton would right now be the anonymous ex-wife of an ex-Governor whom almost nobody would remember.