Donovan Brazier is done.

He was low mileage in HS and hates XC, so don't think his training is that much different.

And he did not almost beat fisher in an indoor mile. At no point in any race did Fisher look strained and he would always hammer him over the last few laps.

Wow, doomsday crowd. You guys must be fun to hang out withHe'll be fine

RunnerZ wrote:

Donovan Brazier at UCLA today.

Donavan Brazier, FR - Texas A&M, 1:51.56

It's tough to say but I think Brazier's best days might be behind him. It will be hard for him to get momentum back & FloTrack were amongst he experts saying (on their podcast) that he bottled it at NCAAs. I would be surprised if he ever runs under 1:46.55 again.

Which A&M coach is his primary coach? Is Wendel or Alleyne coaching him?

Coaches News Network wrote:

Which A&M coach is his primary coach? Is Wendel or Alleyne coaching him?

Alleyne Francique is his primary coach.

He's a hard ass and there is no way he would ever budge from his current training plan for his 800 guys of fast short stuff

YOU GUYS ARE FOOLS

Brazier ran 4:07 in an indoor meet in December "he's training like a 4/8 guy"

- don't you guys sound like spares

Hector Hernandez just last week ran 3:48 in the 1500 winning his race. Yeah..they're training like 4/8 guys?

- don't you guys sound like spares

Everyone else is improving and running well. In that 800 race you mention 3 other guys ran their lifetime bests

- don't you guys sound like SPARES

Letsrun amuses me so much. Armchair coaches who just talk and talk and talk to make themselves feel good. Cue the Dan Lebetard talking chicken noises

BAWK BAWK BAWK BAWK

RunnerZ wrote:

Donovan Brazier at UCLA today.

Donavan Brazier, FR - Texas A&M, 1:51.56

It's tough to say but I think Brazier's best days might be behind him. It will be hard for him to get momentum back & FloTrack were amongst he experts saying (on their podcast) that he bottled it at NCAAs. I would be surprised if he ever runs under 1:46.55 again.

I am pretty sure after his indoor time, his peek was switched to late summer.

I find that compared to elites, HS runners don't have the endurance base they need.

If you check out statsgangsta's calculator and enter brazier's times for 400/800 you will find that he is really a not-good-enough 400/600 runner instead of an 800 runner. Now that he is in college he will need to be a better distance runner than he is now.

Knowing what kind of runner you are all depends on your Riegel exponent.

R = (ln(T1/T2))/(ln(D2/D1))

800 ~ 1.13 to 1.16

1500 ~ 1.10 to 1.13

3000+ < 1.10

Everyone can use a good distance base.

Krazy 8 wrote:

You're an idiot. They're not being dicks...his training was discussed in an interview that was posted online. I was concerned when he was running so fast out of the gate indoors, and I do not think the A&M 400/800 coach is a good fit for his long term development. He seems to be one of the coaches stuck in the Stone Age when it comes to mid d training. When I was taking my official visits and was at FSU Braman referred to indoor track as fool's gold. The A&M coach probably is not thinking too far into the future when training Brazier.

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Right, because there is only one way to train all mid distance runners. Anything that does not align with the your view on what mid-distance training should look like is hereby declared as Stone Age training. Do tell us exactly what Mr. Brazier's training should look like, and while you're at it, let us know how to reduce the deficit and how to make more NBA players shoot 3s like Steph Curry.

I'm not sure where I saw the interview, maybe here or Flotrak. The kid was talking about his training, about how it was so hard core, balls to the walls type of stuff, all the time. And I thought, sounds like he is well on his way to injury or burn out.

I put my MD times in that calculator and it said 1:58 for the marathon.Should I move up or..... ?[It also suggested a 5k time which was slower in pace (14:44) than the marathon time (1:58:59) - sweet calculator]

Quipui wrote:

I find that compared to elites, HS runners don't have the endurance base they need.

If you check out statsgangsta's calculator and enter brazier's times for 400/800 you will find that he is really a not-good-enough 400/600 runner instead of an 800 runner. Now that he is in college he will need to be a better distance runner than he is now.

Knowing what kind of runner you are all depends on your Riegel exponent.

R = (ln(T1/T2))/(ln(D2/D1))

800 ~ 1.13 to 1.16

1500 ~ 1.10 to 1.13

3000+ < 1.10

Everyone can use a good distance base.

Looking at Brazier's PB's he appears to be a 400/800 type with a conversion similar to Rudisha.

I would say it is probably best to train him as a 400/800 type and not try to stretch him to the 1500. There is nothing wrong with a 400/800 or 800 specialist training programme. It works for many high level athletes.

Ventolin, do you have any thoughts on whether Donnie can PR again? Is he hoping to peak for the OTs?

Jim Ryun GOAT? wrote:

RunnerZ wrote:

Donovan Brazier at UCLA today.

Donavan Brazier, FR - Texas A&M, 1:51.56

It's tough to say but I think Brazier's best days might be behind him. It will be hard for him to get momentum back & FloTrack were amongst he experts saying (on their podcast) that he bottled it at NCAAs. I would be surprised if he ever runs under 1:46.55 again.

5/10, good work and you will probably garner more ire !

I agree with the 5/10...overall good trolling, but you failed to say, "stick a fork in him." Also a Sarah Baxter comparison would have been nice.

Metric Miler wrote:"For some people here, just a few short months ago he was surely running 1:42 this summer and be a lock for the Olympic team"

I think that was Ventolin, who lives in an alternate reality that is not governed by logic.

Sub 1:45 would be a great target for Brazier. Hopefully he comes out of this bad patch OK, it is still early.

nonsense

i said if he runs similar to outdoors as that incredible solo indoor run he can run 1'42+ outdoors

even with that ability i don't expect him to make team as that needs rounds

1'42+ for 1-off doesn't guarantee making top-3 after rounds where Boris will certainly be in 1'42+ shape, as indoor gold shows likely current shape & nick & maybe duane + 1 or 2 others will be in 1'42+ shape or 1'43-low ability in trials

PrettyBad wrote:"For some people here, just a few short months ago he was surely running 1:42 this summer and be a lock for the Olympic team"

Metric Miler wrote: I think that was Ventolin, who lives in an alternate reality that is not governed by logic.

Sub 1:45 would be a great target for Brazier. Hopefully he comes out of this bad patch OK, it is still early.

ventolin^3 wrote:

nonsense

i said if he runs similar to outdoors as that incredible solo indoor run he can run 1'42+ outdoors

even with that ability i don't expect him to make team as that needs rounds

1'42+ for 1-off doesn't guarantee making top-3 after rounds where Boris will certainly be in 1'42+ shape, as indoor gold shows likely current shape & nick & maybe duane + 1 or 2 others will be in 1'42+ shape or 1'43-low ability in trials

Nonsense, except it was you and you just said it?

Metric Miler wrote:Nonsense, except it was you and you just said it?

inept

1'45.9i solo is worth 1'45--mid indoors if paced

a reasonable conversion to 800 outdoors is ~ 1.015 / 1.016 ->

~ 1'43.8 / 1'43.9

at that time with at least 1s expected improvement for a raw kid with no serious endurance work done !!

So are you admitting to saying he will run 1:42 in summer, or have you changed to 1:43.8?

ventolin^3 wrote:

Metric Miler wrote:Nonsense, except it was you and you just said it?

inept

1'45.9i solo is worth 1'45--mid indoors if paced

a reasonable conversion to 800 outdoors is ~ 1.015 / 1.016 ->

~ 1'43.8 / 1'43.9

at that time with at least 1s expected improvement for a raw kid with no serious endurance work done !!

Imbecile!

1:44.4

Metric Miler wrote:So are you admitting to saying he will run 1:42 in summer, or have you changed to 1:43.8?

learn to read

he ran ~ 1'43-high equivalent in winter off crap splits

he shoud progress into 1'42+ in summer especially at 18y!!! with infinite improvement possible next year even if doesn't make it to rio