WR!!! old dudes rule! sean wade goes sub-15 for 5k at 50 years old...

Trolling for dollars wrote:

Sorry to rain on your parade, but just because one "old dude" ran a fast time doesn't make "old dudes rule". Only one old dude "ruled". The rest of 'em, with very few exceptions, run like a bunch of old dudes.

Cush ran a 3:55 for 1500 at 45, and there are other guys out there.

Like I said, there are a few old dudes who are really fast. Most aren't. Even in my prime, I couldn't beat those guys mentioned in this thread. They ARE amazing.

Dude lives in an altitude tent in Houston and regulates his blood data. A true professional.

And 45 isn't exactly "old". Hell, 50 isn't even that old if you've taken good care of yourself. I don't think that's an appropriate label for someone that age to give themselves unless they are being self-depreciating.

cl wrote:

Dude lives in an altitude tent in Houston and regulates his blood data. A true professional.

Exactly. Sorta. I guess my point is, it's like saying that because Kamworor ran under 59 in the horrible weather "dudes rule", or because Dibaba ran 3:50, "chicks rule". Stupid subject statement. Sean Wade running sub-15 for 5k at 50 years old DOES NOT mean old dudes rule. That's all.

Trolling for dollars wrote:

And 45 isn't exactly "old". Hell, 50 isn't even that old if you've taken good care of yourself. I don't think that's an appropriate label for someone that age to give themselves unless they are being self-depreciating.

if you have any pull with letsrun thread moderators, i, as the thread-starter, have no problem with you requesting changing the thread title to "some old dudes who are not really that old, like sean wade, john trautman, pete magill, tony young, et. al., as opposed to ed whitlock who really is old, but not all old dudes who are not really that old, rule! sean wade, one of the few not-so-old dudes who runs fast and has taken good care of himself, goes sub-15 for 5k at 50 years not even that old..."

I'm just having some light-hearted fun with this. I do enjoy reading about the exploits of the top masters guys.

go all PC on us...

Original title is just fine.

socalcush wrote:

Trolling for dollars wrote:

And 45 isn't exactly "old". Hell, 50 isn't even that old if you've taken good care of yourself. I don't think that's an appropriate label for someone that age to give themselves unless they are being self-depreciating.

if you have any pull with letsrun thread moderators, i, as the thread-starter, have no problem with you requesting changing the thread title to "some old dudes who are not really that old, like sean wade, john trautman, pete magill, tony young, et. al., as opposed to ed whitlock who really is old, but not all old dudes who are not really that old, rule! sean wade, one of the few not-so-old dudes who runs fast and has taken good care of himself, goes sub-15 for 5k at 50 years not even that old..."

+50

Go all PC? What does that even mean? Seriously, though. How does Sean Wade running 14:52 for 5K somehow make old dudes rule? First of all he's not old, and secondly, how does his accomplishment elevate the elderly male population from the proletariat?

Sean Wade is a stud. That's a smoking time. Faster than my lifetime PR at half his age.

Yeah but will Sean Wade be able to leap out of a window at age 70?

So does "Kenyan Way" mean that he is tested rarely if ever and even then with advanced notice?

Trolling for dollars wrote:

Sorry to rain on your parade, but just because one "old dude" ran a fast time doesn't make "old dudes rule". Only one old dude "ruled". The rest of 'em, with very few exceptions, run like a bunch of old dudes.

Earth to "Trolling for dollars" .....most people don't run fast, young or old !!

Look at a well supported local 5K in any town throughout the nation and there may be a few people breaking 16 min's in any given race but there are thousands upon thousands running running 18:00+ So The rest of 'em, with very few exceptions, run like dudes. (young & old)

Also, as far as age is concerned, age 50 may not be that old but when it comes to running at a high level, it is. Sh*t starts to happen at 50+. No longer is it how much work you can put in but how much can you do w/o getting injured. ..and lots of us get injured when we try to balance on that fine line. So any old dude that can run fast props to them ..... so let me re-coin socacush's phrase.....

Old dudes that can fast run RULE!!

"Shi*t starts to happen at 50+." So true. If any of you "young dudes" are lucky enough to become "old dudes" you will discover how difficult it can be to battle Father Time. So "fast old dudes" are truly marvelous. Congrats to Sean Wade!

Sh1t doesn't start to happen at 50. That's what held everyone back all these years and that's what Sean doesn't believe in. Stupid Masters community tries to brainwash the youth with statements like that, "yeah, it was all good until I hit 38 and then sht started happening."... just to dwindle down the competitive pool.

Life is life.

While your tinfoil is still intact, don't forget that Big Pharma hass everyone brainwashed to believe that PEDs work. brojos should rename the site "Letsbrainwash", right?

cl wrote:

Sh1t doesn't start to happen at 50. That's what held everyone back all these years and that's what Sean doesn't believe in. Stupid Masters community tries to brainwash the youth with statements like that, "yeah, it was all good until I hit 38 and then sht started happening."... just to dwindle down the competitive pool.

Life is life.

cl wrote:

Sh1t doesn't start to happen at 50. That's what held everyone back all these years and that's what Sean doesn't believe in. Stupid Masters community tries to brainwash the youth with statements like that, "yeah, it was all good until I hit 38 and then sht started happening."... just to dwindle down the competitive pool.

Life is life.

Actually, Sean spent most of his 40s battling the sh#t that happens to masters runners, then had a long year-plus spell of uninterrupted training that allowed him to reach these age 50+ milestones. But he knows as well as anyone how hard it is to battle the injuries and longer recovery times that masters deal with--and which you, cl, apparently know so little about.

The vast majority of runners (especially men) see their performances start to fall off somewhere between age 35 and 40, regardless of whether they'd like to believe otherwise. It's Father Time, not a "stupid masters community" trying to "dwindle down the competitive pool" (are you for real?!) that comes into play. Those whose combination of luck in two arenas--physical running talent and genetic longevity--combined with smart training are able to keep posting good performances into their 40s. A few very lucky runners maintain those three factors (physical talent, longevity, smart training) at a higher level than most until 50. And right about then, give or take few years, most meet the "masters' cliff."

I know that cliff well. I fell off it myself, LOL! I ran 14:45 for 5000 three months before turning 50. But even then, I could feel my body beginning to break, and had for quite some time. Almost immediately after turning 50, a combination of injuries brought my training to a complete halt for months. I rallied back for a few good races right before I turned 51, but have spent the 4 years since dealing with one injury after another. And I'm not an isolated case. Same thing happened to Nolan Shaheed at about age 51/52. And to so many other masters runners who made it through their 40s, only to meet the masters' cliff.

Now, some runners persevere. Martin Rees has continued to post spectacular times into his early 60s. But again, the field of those posting performances that represent a high percentage of their all-time bests gets smaller and smaller with each decade.

What Sean has accomplished in the past month-plus, setting masters world records for the indoor mile (4:23), indoor 1500, indoor 3000, and now the outdoor 5000 is unprecedented for someone his age. Those of us who are his age (or older) recognize that. It's unbelievable.

No, old guys don't rule. But for now, Sean Wade rules among old guys.

Thank you for reinforcing my point, Pete. I just turned 50 myself, and, although I don't agree with you that I'm an "old guy" (I'm in great health and can probably pass for 35 in physical appearance), I certainly feel old when it comes to what's happened to my ability to run fast, or for that matter, run at all. My form now feels clumsy and uncoordinated, in spite of all my drills, strength training, etc.. Injuries and down time leave me feeling more that way each time I start up again. First 6 minute miles felt like 5 minute miles, then 7 minute miles felt like 5 minute miles. Now 8 minute miles feel like 5 minute miles.

I'm actually more gratified about my "oldness" to hear from Pete that my regression is normal than I am about Sean Wade defying the odds (I'm in awe of his personal achievements, of course). If you want to add the rest of the older crowd into the title, then it should say something like "Sean Wade is an inspiration to old dudes!".