This is correct. Of course we caught all dopers of the past and punished them appropriately.
Nothing to see here wrote:
This reads like a non story backed up by other non stories.
Poor journalism at it's finest.
This is correct. Of course we caught all dopers of the past and punished them appropriately.
Nothing to see here wrote:
This reads like a non story backed up by other non stories.
Poor journalism at it's finest.
This doctor was the same that tended to Haile at one point:http://www.oocities.org/~dagmawi/NewsAug99/News_Aug29_Track.html
Always the approach. Attack the Journalist.
Hermans, Salazar, and Rosa athletes are more drugged than the Chinese women were. That is a fact.
It is time to begin persistently hammering Hermens on this. He will show up with a shovel and begin digging himself into a deep well of lies. Let him dig. The more we keep at it the more ancillary people will come out of the woodwork and say what they know, until--as with Lance--it becomes impossible for him to deny it.
I don't think we can expect Gebrselassie to ever come clean.
More sad times ahead.
If it werent for the good old doc then mr. Abel kirui would never have been 'saved' courtesy of Jos Hermens for the introduction at his wedding
http://www.atletiekweek.nl/2014/01/10/abel-kirui-peter-vergouwen-redde-mijn-been/
Haile inspired me to pursue a fruitful masters career after his "magical" season of 1995. Alas, it looks as if the "magic" was smoke and mirrors, or more specifically needles and fluids.....
Impartial Observer wrote:
Haile inspired me to pursue a fruitful masters career after his "magical" season of 1995. Alas, it looks as if the "magic" was smoke and mirrors, or more specifically needles and fluids.....
I think a lot of us feel the way you do. Lance was always an unpleasant person, even before the scandal. But Haile is so likable. If he was cheating--and it seems now almost impossible he wasn't--I feel somewhat sorry for him. So much responsibility on a poor farm boy representing a nation dominated by one of the most awful governments in Africa. I am not sure he would ever have had a chance to even learn why some of us detest PEDs so much.
Hermens comes out of this looking like an ogre, at least to me.
Let's not forget that Haile is a very successful businessman in one of the most corrupt government environments in the world. He is above all a survivor who will do what it takes.
Here is one approach. Write e-mails to Jos Hermens at his company, Global Sports Communication. Ask him to come clean, for the good of the sport. He can be reached through his office assistant at the following e-mail address:
GeorgeH wrote:
Here is one approach. Write e-mails to Jos Hermens at his company, Global Sports Communication. Ask him to come clean, for the good of the sport. He can be reached through his office assistant at the following e-mail address:
yvonne@gscmail.nl
What is it that you want him to confirm? Do you represent athletes who have seen a doctor/physio who thinks/has at one point thought that EPO should be legal in sports? What does that prove?
So. Not quite sure what the deal is here
house of cards? wrote:
You've got to read this. If Hermens is dirty, then the sport could have a huge problem.
https://goo.gl/MVg8WACan a Swedish speaker help us get a totally acurate translation? Here is what my translation says:
"(Aregawi's) Dutch management company Global Sports Communications showed a little more humanity, but behaved strangely at the same time. Very quickly they began to spread the story of a doctor from the Ukraine has been seen in Addis Ababa. They had no name and they had no proof - but they wanted the focus would be on that doctor, that he could be the culprit.
"Why? Perhaps because they have the doctor Pieter Vergouwen in his stable.
He treated recently Abeba Aregawi and has a least dubious background. Previously, he worked with several active as caught for doping and Vergouwen himself has talked openly about that we should legalize the EPO."
Nothing to see here wrote:
GeorgeH wrote:Here is one approach. Write e-mails to Jos Hermens at his company, Global Sports Communication. Ask him to come clean, for the good of the sport. He can be reached through his office assistant at the following e-mail address:
yvonne@gscmail.nlWhat is it that you want him to confirm? Do you represent athletes who have seen a doctor/physio who thinks/has at one point thought that EPO should be legal in sports? What does that prove?
It proves that he does not live in a vacuum. That track fans know his name and know his reputation is on the line. I have had thoughtful exchanges with him over the years. He writes back. He may or may not still be so loquacious, given the current situation.
jjjjj wrote:
During Bekele's 12:37, Hermens was on the side of the track yelling splits at him and coaching him. That Hermens is involved in doping his athletes would not surprise me at all. His athletes perform beyond what were the limits of very hard training athletes for decades of the modern sport.
What does standing on the backstretch yelling splits have to do with anything?
Salazar does that all the time.
Oh, wait...
Judge for yourself
A Spanish doping doctor with connections to Fuentes performing homeopathy not remotely believable!
Gebresellasie and Bekele need to be exposed before Athletics can move on from these scandals - cycling has taught us that lesson
Huh?? wrote:
What's the "explosive" part?
The fact that 12:37 and 26:19 are fake.
GeorgeH wrote:
Nothing to see here wrote:What is it that you want him to confirm? Do you represent athletes who have seen a doctor/physio who thinks/has at one point thought that EPO should be legal in sports? What does that prove?
It proves that he does not live in a vacuum. That track fans know his name and know his reputation is on the line. I have had thoughtful exchanges with him over the years. He writes back. He may or may not still be so loquacious, given the current situation.
I mean what does it prove regarding anything of interest? It seems as though you just want to have a chat with him?
Ben L Wrong wrote:
Huh?? wrote:What's the "explosive" part?
The fact that 12:37 and 26:19 are fake.
There have been allegations for years that Bekele's 2 year "injury" was actually a hushed up drug ban. I always ignored them in the past, but with the IAAF's corruption coming to light it makes you wonder.
"I also want to thank my manager, Jos Hermens, who has been helping me more and more.
"He has been like my family, like my brother – I don't have all the words to say about him."
Bekele, who was briefly banned by the Ethiopian Athletics Federation this year, along with many other top-rated athletes, following a dispute over training schedules, returned to the track after a two year absence last season.
Although he dropped out of the final while making a defence of his world 10,000m title in Daegu, less than three weeks later he produced a late flourish to his season by running the fastest 10,000m of the year, 26min 43.16sec, at the Samsung Diamond League in Brussels (pictured above).
One word - Fuentes
Ho Hum wrote:
Ben L Wrong wrote:The fact that 12:37 and 26:19 are fake.
There have been allegations for years that Bekele's 2 year "injury" was actually a hushed up drug ban. I always ignored them in the past, but with the IAAF's corruption coming to light it makes you wonder.
http://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/16910/ethiopias-kenenisa-bekele-reveals-despair-over-injuries-"I also want to thank my manager, Jos Hermens, who has been helping me more and more.
"He has been like my family, like my brother – I don't have all the words to say about him."
Bekele, who was briefly banned by the Ethiopian Athletics Federation this year, along with many other top-rated athletes, following a dispute over training schedules, returned to the track after a two year absence last season.
Although he dropped out of the final while making a defence of his world 10,000m title in Daegu, less than three weeks later he produced a late flourish to his season by running the fastest 10,000m of the year, 26min 43.16sec, at the Samsung Diamond League in Brussels (pictured above).
and then he comes back and is suddenly vulnerable. a guy who ran 26:17, 12:37, 7:25 and he can't beat Rupp in a 13:00 5K a PRE.
And to the people saying that what these cats are doing is the same as NOP, get a clue. If NOP are doing anything illegal, its certainly not rampant drug use, its the micro of all micro dosing. And we have no evidence of that, just speculation. But even if it were true, it does not compare to full on drug use. Like taking a 1/4 cup of coffee versus having 2 cups.
I'm not convinced that Haile was doping, but I have to say that I would have a tough time suspecting Paul Tergat from that same era (12:49/26:27). Tergat seems like such a no-nonsense tough dude that it would be tough to fathom his taking PEDs. So maybe we can at least make and educated guess that 12:49/26:27/2:04:55 are clean.