This was from October 2012 according to Julia. This was webbs first and last option/ exposure to really trying to become a 5-10k runner.
Vigilante had him run some low 14 min 5ks as tempo run that previous summer and I'm assuming Webb thought if he dedicated himself to the training he could run ridiculously.
Also Webb ran club cross county couple months later off this training and finished 7th in 30:26, which was a pretty legit performance.
Cubism Cubed wrote:
translation from chicken scratch:
M: 10 am ~66 min, 10 PM ~64 min
T: 4 up, 6X1200 w/2:15 rec (3:37,3:27,3:18,3:33,3:26,3:16), 4 down, 13 total, 8 pm ~50
W:10 am ~67 min, 10 pm, ~64min
R: 10 am ~ 65 min, 11 pm `66 min
F: 10 am ~68 mon, PM: 4 up, 3 miles on geoff (15:00 total, 5:03,5:06,4:51) 4 min rest, 3200 (9:30, 4:47,4:43) 3 min rest, 1600 (4:30)
S: 13 am ~81 min with 33 min at 5:50-6:00, 10 Pm ~64
S: 16-17 am (1h 47min) 5:40-6:00 hair club for men appt.
Thanks for that, I couldn't read it at all.
Ceb Soe wrote:
This just highlights that Schumacher's training is geared towards the 5/10/steeple. There's not one guy or girl in his group that would list the 1500 as their primary event unless you count German or Lopez.
And I would add that Lopez kind of burned out or lost his pop he once had at 800/1500 like Webb. Just not good 1500 training. Yes you can run a fast 1500 off it (jager, teg) but not optimal for pure 15 guys.
Cease wrote:
Also Webb ran club cross county couple months later off this training and finished 7th in 30:26, which was a pretty legit performance.
that's a "legit performance" for the mile AR holder and 27:34 guy?
It was his first cc race in nearly a decade.
Considering he was coming off a track season that saw him go as fast as 3:37 and as slow as 3:54 on 1500 I'd say it is a " legit" performance.
At this point Webb was a far cry from his 2001,2004, 2007 self.
How could they not be doing more strides and finishing up some of those sessions with 150s or 200s or even hills?
I know it is the fall or whatever and most of these guys are just getting started but it is unsurprising he was only running 60 second pace for 1500m when he doesn't do anything at this pace. (3:45 at PRE in 2013 off this training, for the record)
its a wonder that Jerry's athletes are able to perform as well as they are off of so little racing and so little speed. I guess they must do more at other times of the year...
Cubism Cubed wrote:
translation from chicken scratch:
M: 10 am ~66 min, 10 PM ~64 min
T: 4 up, 6X1200 w/2:15 rec (3:37,3:27,3:18,3:33,3:26,3:16), 4 down, 13 total, 8 pm ~50
W:10 am ~67 min, 10 pm, ~64min
R: 10 am ~ 65 min, 11 pm `66 min
F: 10 am ~68 mon, PM: 4 up, 3 miles on geoff (15:00 total, 5:03,5:06,4:51) 4 min rest, 3200 (9:30, 4:47,4:43) 3 min rest, 1600 (4:30)
S: 13 am ~81 min with 33 min at 5:50-6:00, 10 Pm ~64
S: 16-17 am (1h 47min) 5:40-6:00 last half
Thanks for doing that.
It is interesting that there is nothing too crazy in here other than the mileage total. I like the very commonsense training:
- classic VO2max workout Tuesday
- broken tempo/progression work Friday
- moderately hard finish long run Sunday
The insane volume of basic running is really the crazy part there.
surprise surprise wrote:
How could they not be doing more strides and finishing up some of those sessions with 150s or 200s or even hills?
I know it is the fall or whatever and most of these guys are just getting started but it is unsurprising he was only running 60 second pace for 1500m when he doesn't do anything at this pace. (3:45 at PRE in 2013 off this training, for the record)
its a wonder that Jerry's athletes are able to perform as well as they are off of so little racing and so little speed. I guess they must do more at other times of the year...
I doubt this is how they train when they're in 1500 racing season...
Tuesday looks slower than vVO2 max.
SlowFatMaster wrote:
Tuesday looks slower than vVO2 max.
He goes from ~3:30 to ~3:15 for 1200s. What do you think his vVO2max is? Probably between 3k and 5k pace so this seems right on.
Judging from the majority of the posts, I'd say that most of you are not even close to aware of the training done by the uber elites. Further, judging a coach and his philosophy by a one week snapshot from an admittedly ocd athlete's training is ludicrous.
Seriously, who pays the bills for the Webbs.
Funny that Webb feels the need to ~approximate every distance and time. Isn't the general running log rule that most runs are some kind of approximation?
Question: why does he mention "core x 2" at the bottom as though that should be measured seperately from general mileage? My non-mileage weekly metrics are # workouts and # doubles. Counting ab workouts seems odd, thoughts?
RAIN! on Saturday. brah's still running on rage...
Why are you people trying to make Alan Webb's training log into some sort of a zero sum game?
Well, 3:30 is 70 seconds per 400, or 14:35 for 5000. 3:15 is 65 per 400, or 8:07.5 for 3000. I thought he would be in better shape than that, but maybe not.