Reid Coolsaet busts the myth that Kenyans don't get tested out of comp

Kenya should be banned from the Olympics until they get their act together. They are not much better than Russia.

Great. Now its laid to rest. Reid has proven Kenyans are thoroughly tested. I think the same went for Paula too!

Pangolin wrote:

Link showing blood being drawn or it didn't happen.

Come on, dude. Do you really not know how to look at Twitter? Here's the link to the pic of Marchant getting blood drawn at the Kenyan test:

how micro? wrote:

5am test and they're notified the night before, so let's say 12 hours notice.

I know very little about doping so this is an honest question: what sort of drugs and doses does 12 hours notice enable for the athletes?

EPO is first and best. Running some recovery product is relatively easy.

Weight loss/recovery becoming a much bigger thing with some innovative peptides.

Also keep in mind, the IAAF for sure has had positives they never sanctioned. Lots of them. So, even if an athlete comes in "hot" it's unlikely there's a sanction. It seems to depend on how much money you can generate and distribute and whether or not the federation values the athlete.

There was blood testing.

how micro? wrote:

5am test and they're notified the night before, so let's say 12 hours notice.

I know very little about doping so this is an honest question: what sort of drugs and doses does 12 hours notice enable for the athletes?

For these athletes, it is less about what to take, and more of what not to take. Athletes have been found to microdose EPO in the evening because it gives them the biggest window to go without being tested; if they inject in the morning, they could be tested later that day, for example.

There is a lot of pharmacology at work, but athletes who have explained their programs show that a full dose is out of the system by the second day. The idea behind a microdose is to still get some EPO, but be able to clear it sooner, in case they are tested the next day. (Also, smaller doses would produce smaller swings in the ABP.) More sophisticated programs which combine EPO, testosterone, HGH, any any number of other PEDs could shorten this glow time.

Speaking of the ABP, there are a lot of things an athlete could do in the 10 hours or so to normalize what would otherwise be abnormal blood values due to doping. It's been found that even drinking a liter of water within 2 hours before a blood test can drop the success of a ABP trip by two-thirds.

And any substance that isn't EPO would also be masked, or flushed in this time frame. Dwain Chambers took a test with the residue of a masking agent still on his arms, and still passed. Amine Laalou, Steve Mullings, Veronica Campbell Brown are names that come to mind as testing positive for masking agents like furosemide, or Maggie Vessy who tested positive for a diuretic I can't remember.

Canrenone

7.95 % of doping events involve diuretics.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2962812/

Man that has to suck, getting up at 4 AM to drive an hour to get blood forcibly removed from your body. I'd be so pissed off about shit like that if I was a clean elite. Or a dirty elite for that matter, but if you're a dirty elite I'd at least hope you'd have the self-awareness to realize that people like you are the reason that these kinds of invasive testing protocols are necessary in the first place.

Again I have to speak about a lot of not accurancy when there are Kenyan in the middle.

This morning, 10 top athletes, including World Champions and number 1 in the World, had an OOC blood test (this means it's not true there are not blood tests in Kenya).

Why they received a message at 10pm (so, not 12 hours before, but 7 and half hour before) ? Because the tests were carried out in the house of Paul Scott, responsible in Kenya for the antidoping (IAAF), for the simple reason that only in his house there is the possibility to preserve the samples in the right way before sending to the lab for analysis.

Put in your mind that BLOOD TESTS ARE NOT FOR DISCOVERING SOME DRUG. This is possible in urine test only.

These tests regarding the best athletes in the world are one of the several tests needed for the Biological Passport, and under this point of view 7 hours of difference NEVER can produce real difference in the values that are investigated for the BP.

It's instead important to understand that the normal OOC tests with urine respect all the rules, being carried out without any previous info, and in the "window" every athlete gave to IAAF through the ADAMS.

So, not only this is nothing scandalous, but is the clear demonstration that IAAF and WADA are targetting Kenya in very serious way, also if the local national antidoping doesn't work.

So, I repeat again after 100 times, one thing is to blame AK because there is not an effective national antidoping system, other thing is to say that there are not tests in Kenya (including blood tests), blaming the athletes and thinking they are doped for that reason.

The evidence is that THERE ARE IN KENYA MORE TESTS THAT IN ANY OTHER COUNTRY, INCLUDING BLOOD TESTS.

People need to stop to say stupidity when don't know facts and run behind wrong informations.

doesn't sound fun either wrote:

https://twitter.com/ReidCoolsaet/status/696892954007441408

"Kenyan style anti-doping test. Notify us the night before. 1 hour drive to test site at 5am. Many Olympic medalists in house."

Is that why Reid goes to kenya to train? Becaùse it's easier to beat the testing?

What about Farah?

Is he a cheater himself wrote:

doesn't sound fun either wrote:https://twitter.com/ReidCoolsaet/status/696892954007441408

"Kenyan style anti-doping test. Notify us the night before. 1 hour drive to test site at 5am. Many Olympic medalists in house."

Is that why Reid goes to kenya to train? Becaùse it's easier to beat the testing?

What about Farah?

THIS

Seriously, Reid has access to altitude and training partners closer to home, so going to Kenya for training is HIGHLY suspicious.

Aden is dirty as hell. The sooner IAAF kick him out of the sport the better. I personally know a previous fringe member of the self titled 'dope squad' who went out to Kenya in 2011/2 with every last penny to his name but then suddenly decides to quit the sport he loves because of what he saw from old (Sudanese) friends (you can work out who). Needles, needles and more needles he kept saying. Straight into the belly button to avoid any marking.

teller of truth wrote:

Is he a cheater himself wrote:

Is that why Reid goes to kenya to train? Becaùse it's easier to beat the testing?

What about Farah?

THIS

Seriously, Reid has access to altitude and training partners closer to home, so going to Kenya for training is HIGHLY suspicious.

Coolsaet:

" don’t think it really matters to me if I train at altitude or not in the months right before a big race. But I find altitude and soft surfaces have an advantage when getting in a solid base. Right now I’m able to run a little slower and yet make it harder on my cardiovascular system with the altitude. I love the hills here (most of the time) and the dirt trails are probably better for my injury than being on the roads.

A few people have mentioned to me that it’s probably better to be somewhere warm to heal. I hadn’t thought of that much and not sure if it really makes a difference but it can’t hurt I guess."

High of 0 F on Saturday in Guelph. Why would you train on ice and snow with no altitude.

reader of the forums 2.0 wrote:

EPO doesn't work on Kenyans anyways so testing them for it is irrelevant.

Exactly.

All drug testing needs to be abolished immediately.

hold the phone wrote:

Pangolin wrote:

Link showing blood being drawn or it didn't happen.

Come on, dude. Do you really not know how to look at Twitter? Here's the link to the pic of Marchant getting blood drawn at the Kenyan test:

https://twitter.com/LJM5252/status/696904150156595200

This new active poster "pangolin" is completely obtuse.

teller of truth wrote:

Seriously, Reid has access to altitude and training partners closer to home, so going to Kenya for training is HIGHLY suspicious.

Where?

Where closer to Canada would a 2:11 marathoner have literally 100s of training partners at 7000 ft altitude?

You sound like a jealous sub-elite course-clogger.

While it's true that there is altitude in the us, winter there is often unpleasant for training. Not so in Kenya as frequently. A single blizzard could derail an elite's training, so why not go to Kenya . Plus a lot more elites to train with are in Kenya. Training in Kenya isn't indicative of dipping.

Renato Canova wrote:

Put in your mind that BLOOD TESTS ARE NOT FOR DISCOVERING SOME DRUG. This is possible in urine test only.

This is not true:

The study shows that drinking a liter of water changed the detection via ABP of subjects dosed with EPO from 40% to 10% in just 40 minutes. The control group which drank 270ml did not have a change in detection success (40ish%).

Renato Canova wrote:

Put in your mind that BLOOD TESTS ARE NOT FOR DISCOVERING SOME DRUG. This is possible in urine test only.

Also not true.

Mohamed Al Hachimi (caught in a french CC race he dropped out off, pretended not to have been a participant at all) was caught with a blood test (CERA) (I only have a french quote from AFLD). Rashid Ramzi was caught with blood tests.

WADA documents on testing statistics also show that there are different numbers of IC/OOC blood tests taken and samples taken for ABP purposes.

I do agree with you here: People need to stop to say stupidity when don't know facts and run behind wrong informations.