luv2run wrote:
Also there was a window around that time where blood doping (transfers) was actually not against the rules.
Would be interesting to hear from Coe on it though.
Technicalities aside, does it at all seem ethical when you consider everything involved in doping via transfusion?
Are there many runners that have come out saying "yes, but it was not against the rules at the time."?
Coe speaks English wrote:
Mr. Obvious wrote:Is Letsrun seeking an interview with Seb Coe? He needs to answer questions.
rojo wrote:
Definitely not right now. We don't speak Finnish.
Rojo meant we don't speak English. He's probably right about that.
pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:
Looking for some verification wrote:I'm as anti-doping as they come, but rumors printed in a 1983 Finnish newspaper don't seem like a very solid source to base accusations on.
Because Finland isn't the U.S. or U.K? They don't write in English?
Please explain.
Because you wouldn't expect Finland to be the best source for gossip about English athletes, so yes, a UK source would be more credible, especially since it would have been published subject to UK libel laws.
rojo wrote:
Mr. Obvious wrote:Is Letsrun seeking an interview with Seb Coe? He needs to answer questions.
Definitely not right now. We don't speak Finnish. I'm sure there are plenty of media entities in the UK that that can ask him questions if this has any substance. If we need to follow up, we will.
This reads as "we have very little power and influence at the upper echelons of the sport and would not be able to reach Lord Coe's office if we wanted to. We have a reasonable level of access to US distance runners and beyond that we are complete nobodies in the sport with no real journalistic credentials to speak of"
Coe with another undeclared conflict of interest (not to mention clear evidence that Coe new about corruption charges before the time which he told to Parliament.):
(A screenshot of twitter @robharris,
. His feed has the documents)
Quarantine wrote:
Amusing all the little Coe-fangirl apologists "800 undopable" "Just rumors" "your jealous", etc.etc.
The Finn Maaninka tested positive because he reinfused blood with traces of steroids form early in the training cycle. If word of this bust got out at this time, Coe might well have withdrawn to avoid the same fate.
Well you've outed yourself as a troll. If you're going to accuse someone of being a doper based on the actions of others, then at least have the intelligence of ensuring your evidence is correct.
It was Vainio not Maaninka who tested positive, and it was in 1984 at the LA Olympics not prior to the World Champs in 83.
People like you peddling lies as facts are part of the problem and the perception of the sport given to the general public. It's no wonder people are switching off T & F.
Stop trolling
Cheeserk Slices wrote:
TruthSayer wrote:There's been no definitive research that suggests sprinters benefit as much or at all from blood doping as endurance athletes.
It's safe to say Coe - by his own admission - was an 800m guy who dabbled in the 1500/mile. His 400m PB was 46.87 and everything above a mile was pedestrian. They say the 800m is the least dopable event for a reason. It's run on pure rage, not dope.
If anything you should see if he took steroids, HGH, or some combination of Sprinting drugs. Again - doubtful.
800 runners can be helped by EPO. People keep repeating the same broscience bunk over and over again.
They didn't have EPO in 1983 or at any time during Coe's career.
There was no test to detect blood doping, therefore it was not possible for Coe to test positive for blood doping as the 'article' claims.
If posters can't work out why a 2nd rate tabloid's gossip has been brought to others' attention now, 33 years later, then they're pretty ignorant.
And LetsRun have shown themselves to be no better by having the article in pride of place on their homepage as if it is a fact. Very disappointing and ill advised.
pop_pop!_v2.2.1 wrote:
luv2run wrote:Would be interesting to hear from Coe on it though.Despite being very involved in the sport at the time, Coe knows nothing.
We should all wander through life knowing nothing yet doing so well.
I doubt Coe will EVER address either of these unless forced to by a British commission; or some brave British journalist asks him.
Still, I'd expect him to finesse the answers. (Where are the records from back then, are officials that know even still alive?)
There must be some sort of British government-organised disinformation campaign going on, there's no other way to explain all these apologists for Coe.
If Coe makes it through the year as head of the IAAF, I'll grant him that his endurance is much better than his 3000/5000 PRs indicated.
Midfontaine wrote:
Still, I'd expect him to finesse the answers. (Where are the records from back then, are officials that know even still alive?)
No finesse needed.
"I don't know... I can't recall... I didn't know... It was so long ago... Trust me..."
Diabalo wrote:
And LetsRun have shown themselves to be no better by having the article in pride of place on their homepage as if it is a fact. Very disappointing and ill advised.
Yeah, perhaps they should employ you to decide what should and shouldn't be bought to our attention, after all we don't want to, or have the capacity, to come to our own conclusions. Lamine Diack could give you some guidance on this or perhaps Big Brother Kim in The Peoples Democratic Republic.
Big Brother wrote:
Diabalo wrote:And LetsRun have shown themselves to be no better by having the article in pride of place on their homepage as if it is a fact. Very disappointing and ill advised.
Yeah, perhaps they should employ you to decide what should and shouldn't be bought to our attention, after all we don't want to, or have the capacity, to come to our own conclusions. Lamine Diack could give you some guidance on this or perhaps Big Brother Kim in The Peoples Democratic Republic.
There is a huge difference between investigative journalism asking questions, and making it clear that an article in a Finnish newspaper claimed what it did 33 years ago, which is now being re hashed by a disgruntled blogger, and stating as a fact that Coe was dropped from the UK team for failing a drug test carried out by British officials. It is stated as a fact on the homepage. This isn't helping the reputation of the sport or carrying out a service to the public at large, it is merely very poor journalism.
"It is stated as a fact on the homepage."
No it isn't:
Finnish Paper: Seb Coe Didn’t Compete At 1983 Worlds Because He Couldn’t Pass British Team’s “Own Anti-Doping Tests†A blogger has uncovered an article published in 1983 in Finland citing a source from the British “team’s inner circle.â€
*MB: Seb Coe dropped out of World Championships in 1983 to avoid doping positive.
It's telling us about a Finnish Paper article and a MB thread which we can read and come to our own conclusions should we chose. Hard luck if you don't like it, but I don't want Big Brothers like you deciding what I should and shouldn't read.
Looking for some verification wrote:
Because you wouldn't expect Finland to be the best source for gossip about English athletes, so yes, a UK source would be more credible, especially since it would have been published subject to UK libel laws.
Just like the UK and US aren't the best sources for gossip about Russian athletes......... oh wait.............
Pacifico wrote:
People like you peddling lies as facts are part of the problem and the perception of the sport given to the general public. It's no wonder people are switching off T & F.
about poor journalism, is that what goes around comes around.
Uhuh` wrote:
Looking for some verification wrote:Because you wouldn't expect Finland to be the best source for gossip about English athletes, so yes, a UK source would be more credible, especially since it would have been published subject to UK libel laws.
Just like the UK and US aren't the best sources for gossip about Russian athletes......... oh wait.............
Or German's like Seppelt about Kenyan's and Russian's.
rojo wrote:
Mr. Obvious wrote:Is Letsrun seeking an interview with Seb Coe? He needs to answer questions.
Definitely not right now. We don't speak Finnish. I'm sure there are plenty of media entities in the UK that that can ask him questions if this has any substance. If we need to follow up, we will.
It should be pointed out that the initial source in 1983 was Iltalehti . It's described on Wikipedia is a "Tabloid newspaper." Anyone in FInland know what the reputation of the paper is/was? I see it has the 6th biggest circulation in the country.
Is tabloid being used generically or does it connotate something like the National Enquirer in the US?
As long as you were consulting Wikipedia you could have found this:
"1983 began with world indoor records in the 800 metres in Cosford, England (1:44.91, breaking his own 1981 1:46.0) and the 1,000 metres (2:18.58) in Oslo but Coe spent much of that year battling health problems, including a prolonged bout with toxoplasmosis.[18] He missed the inaugural IAAF World Championships in Athletics."
