What kind of speed do ncaa 5000m runners have?

yea I can speak for this, I had a guy on my high school team that ran 15:40's for xc, 9:18 and 4:19 his senior year and he could consistently bang out splits of 52-53 in a 4x4 after running the 1600 and 800 in a dual meet. Plus he split a 51.XX on a penn relays 4x4. He also cracked 2:00 in the 800 a lot, so anyone who is saying a 14:40-30 5k guy can't break 2:00 then that is BS. 14:30 pace is 12, 2:20 800's in a row with no break, there is just no way a guy that fast can't break 2. Mo Farah who has a PR of 12:5X ran a freaking 1:48 for the last 800 of a 5k, the college 5k guys we are talking about have to be at least sub 1:56-57 at the absolute worst.

Schlitz blue ribbon wrote:

All you guys saying a 14-14:30 guy couldn't break 2 in the 800 are full of if. There are upwards of 50 HS guys (probably more) in my state that can break 2 for the 800 each and every year. There are maybe 1-2 guys a year that can run a 14-1430 5k. I broke 2 and never ran faster than 16:30 for 5k.

the plural of anecdote is data wrote:

If you look at 14 flat guys, a lot of them can drop 51.x with a moving start (which makes a big difference for non-sprinters). Some can hit 50.x and 1:50.x, these would be the miler types. I would guess most are more like 52-53 and 1:54. The slower end would probably be 54-55 with a moving start and 1:58-59. Outliers with 56-7 and 2:00-2:01 probably exist.

This is realistic. I ran 13:40s and never ran faster than 53 for 400, 26 for 200. 1500 best was 3:47.

Cruncher of Numbers wrote:

yea I can speak for this, I had a guy on my high school team that ran 15:40's for xc, 9:18 and 4:19 his senior year and he could consistently bang out splits of 52-53 in a 4x4 after running the 1600 and 800 in a dual meet. Plus he split a 51.XX on a penn relays 4x4. He also cracked 2:00 in the 800 a lot, so anyone who is saying a 14:40-30 5k guy can't break 2:00 then that is BS. 14:30 pace is 12, 2:20 800's in a row with no break, there is just no way a guy that fast can't break 2. Mo Farah who has a PR of 12:5X ran a freaking 1:48 for the last 800 of a 5k, the college 5k guys we are talking about have to be at least sub 1:56-57 at the absolute worst.

How can you speak for it? "I knew a guy..." is not speaking for it. Are you a 14:00-14:30 guy? Did you just read my post above yours. I'm a 14:12 guy and I never broke 2 in the 800. Not once. Could I have? I'm not even sure. 1:59 would have been my absolute limit though.

Esp!ane wrote:

Do you even 5000, bro? wrote:

El G won gold in the 5000

Your point?

Centrowitz ran 1:44 in the 800. Of course he can run 48 or better. He can run 48 in his sweats after a workout. Same with Rupp. Rupp did some sub 11 100s with a flying start in a workout. Webb ran 47 open in high school!!!

These guys are fast. That's why they're racing for international medals. Sub 50 isn't some magical barrier that only sprinters can run. How many more distance champs could the U.S. produce if runners with that kind of speed start working on longer stuff???

This is from an athlete who is All-Region as well in XC.

800m - 1500/mile - 5k

1:51 - 3:42/4:00 - 14:00

Do you even 5000, bro??? wrote:

Esp!ane wrote:

Your point?

Centrowitz ran 1:44 in the 800. Of course he can run 48 or better. He can run 48 in his sweats after a workout. Same with Rupp. Rupp did some sub 11 100s with a flying start in a workout. Webb ran 47 open in high school!!!

These guys are fast. That's why they're racing for international medals. Sub 50 isn't some magical barrier that only sprinters can run. How many more distance champs could the U.S. produce if runners with that kind of speed start working on longer stuff???

Bekele doesn't have that kind of speed. 12.37 is fast though.

you are the exception, I am not saying every single last 14:30 guy can break 2:00. I could name countless other guys that during high school could run under 2:00 and were 5k beasts. I live in PA so I will name some guys that have broken 16 on a very hard Hershey course and broken 2:00: Jake Brophy, Tony Russell, Kevin James, those were right off of the top of my head and were only in recent years. and No I am not a 14:40 guy if you must know I was probably in low 16's shape in cross this year off 45-50 mpw (in between seasons now) after I was high 17's in high school and am at a D3 school now. I ran 2:09 for 800 my JR year of HS when I was struggling to break 5 and hadn't run faster than 18:10 and never ran a serious 800 since then.

And yes I can speak for my teammate, I saw him run these races, I don't have to be him to know what times he ran.

Cruncher of Numbers wrote:

you are the exception, I am not saying every single last 14:30 guy can break 2:00.

You're not?

Cruncher of Numbers wrote:

anyone who is saying a 14:40-30 5k guy can't break 2:00 then that is BS. 14:30 pace is 12, 2:20 800's in a row with no break, there is just no way a guy that fast can't break 2.

As I said above I would guess the average for 14:30 guys is around 1:59 or possibly a bit faster, so most 14:30 guys can probably break 2, but there are also a lot who can't (hence the disagreement...).

Do you even 5000, bro??? wrote:

Esp!ane wrote:

Your point?

Centrowitz ran 1:44 in the 800. Of course he can run 48 or better. He can run 48 in his sweats after a workout. Same with Rupp. Rupp did some sub 11 100s with a flying start in a workout. Webb ran 47 open in high school!!!

These guys are fast. That's why they're racing for international medals. Sub 50 isn't some magical barrier that only sprinters can run. How many more distance champs could the U.S. produce if runners with that kind of speed start working on longer stuff???

I didn't say sub 50 was a magical barrier that only sprinters can run. Why are you making things up that I never said?

What I actually said was that 48 is not an average 400m time of 13:30 runners.

Rupp never ran multiple sub 11 flying 100s.

Webb never ran 47 open in high school.

Centro running 1:44 does not mean he can run 48 "in his sweats after a workout". El G is rumored to be barely that fast so it's no guarantee that Centro can easily run that fast or faster. Centro is slower at 800, 1500, and 5000.

Bekele and Geb are good for about 50-51.

Elite milers are good for about 48-50.

Elite 800 guys are good for about 46-48.

Elite 400 guys are good for about 44-46.

Your post makes no sense. He was talking about 14:30 runners not being able to break 2:00. Instead, you are posting about guys breaking 16:00. Do you not see how irrelevant your examples are?

This thread is so stupid. I PRed with a 17:32 5k in HS XC and ran 1:58 for 800m on the track. I don't understand how you can run 14:xx and not break 2:00. I feel like most distance races start out at nearly 60 flat for the first 400m (Footlocker, NCAAs). My God, if I had that kind of strength and endurance, I know I would be able to run nearly 1:50-1:55 over 800m. I can run a 53s 400m all out. Something is very wrong with training if a guy doesn't have the ability to run under 2:00 for 400m and can run 14:xx for 5k. Maybe they're just pussies. I can understand not ever breaking 11 for 100m. But I feel like fit distance runners should be able to run (at the very minimum) sub 12 over 100m, sub 25 for 200m, and sub 60 (like...duh). At the very least.

noobs wrote:

This thread is so stupid. I PRed with a 17:32 5k in HS XC and ran 1:58 for 800m on the track. I don't understand how you can run 14:xx and not break 2:00.

And I don't understand how you can run 2:00 in the 800 and not break 17:00 in a 5k.

He sure did run multiple sub 11s

you see how relevant they are, if people that run sub 16 can break 2:00 then shouldn't more people running 14:30's break 2:00? It makes perfect sense.

noobs wrote:

I don't understand how you can run 14:xx and not break 2:00.

Shannon Rowbury can run 14:48 and has not broken 2:00. I think Huddle, Flanagan, Goucher and Kastor have even slower 800.

Old Man Winter wrote:

That's one runner. You've lost your mind if you think Eric Jenkins, Ryan Hill, Ben True, and Rupp can all run 48 for 400m.

Nevermind that NONE of these mentioned is an NCAA 5000m runner.

Do you even 5000, bro? wrote:

Esp!ane wrote:

Your 400 times are way too fast. 48??? Centrowitz may not even be that fast and he is a miler. Even El G was only good for a 47-48.

El G won gold in the 5000

Pretty sure El G wasn't an NCAA runner. Instead he was just the best 1500m runner of all time. Although he won gold in the 5000m, he was not a 5000m specialist nor was he known for his 400m closing speed.

Plus Matt McGoey (15:47 at the tough hershey course) ran sub 9 and ran a 1:55 split at districts. Plus many 1:59s/2:00s just for the win at dual meets.

This kid could've absolutely run in the 14:40s. He also ran a 4:17 at a dual meet in the 1600 so all around spectacular athlete overall

Cruncher of Numbers wrote:

Esp!ane wrote:

Your post makes no sense. He was talking about 14:30 runners not being able to break 2:00. Instead, you are posting about guys breaking 16:00. Do you not see how irrelevant your examples are?

you see how relevant they are, if people that run sub 16 can break 2:00 then shouldn't more people running 14:30's break 2:00? It makes perfect sense.

No, they shouldn't. What you are saying does not make perfect sense. With your logic, you would think that Bekele is faster than Bolt at the 100m. This is what you are missing: The more endurance you have, the less speed you need.