Sara Hall piece - weird statement

Hall has taken thyriod in the past from Dr Brown like many others from Nike. He was named in the WSJ article. I would think thats what she means. Maybe hes not on it anymore and that explains the slump? http://www.runnersworld.com/newswire/do-many-us-distance-runners-have-thyroid-problems

They train alone and in secret because they need to hide theirbdoping. He has low test now as a result of abusing testosterone in the past. The talk of thyroid meds proves they were trying new things in desperation even if illegal.

Frisco Giants ROCK! wrote:

Those two So Cal weirdohs have ruined running as a sport.

Huh?

Sounds to me like they're doing fine. I'd love to see Sara get the altitude training right and run a good time.

If he tested for low testosterone is it illegal to have a dr prescribe him some to bring it back to previous level?

The fact that Sara is aware that microdosing would fix the problem is a huge red flag!! How could she know that it works this way if she never even tried it before????!! Wow

paularatchet wrote:

The fact that Sara is aware that microdosing would fix the problem is a huge red flag!! How could she know that it works this way if she never even tried it before????!! Wow

Not really. They are professional athletes, it is expected they would understand a bit about these things.

you're an expert right? wrote:

No, Ryan Hall's low testosterone is a result of over training for long periods. Pretty much in the same way that any man who over works at any job for long periods can get the same problem

Do you have scientific studies that show a relationship between x amount of work, and low testosterone levels.

paularatchet wrote:

The fact that Sara is aware that microdosing would fix the problem is a huge red flag!! How could she know that it works this way if she never even tried it before????!! Wow

That was the part that sounded most weird to me, too, because it's not like microdosing is the only way to fix it; I'm sure macrodosing would work fine too (in the right amounts). If it were me, I imagine I might say something like, my testosterone is low, and I could take some testosterone to boost it back up, but that's illegal. But referring specifically to microdosing gives the impression of somebody that knows exactly how to combat the problem - somebody who has familiarity with the ins and outs of doping. Not to say that this makes her or her husband automatically guilty, but I would expect a more general claim like "Ryan has hormone imbalances, but won't do anything outside the rules to try to correct them."

It does seem like he is totally fried. She might be headed that way too, from the sounds of her last 1/2 marathon. Of course, that's just one race, and she's been having some good races other than that. Still, it seems unlikely that Ryan in particular will be able to fix his problem if he hasn't done so after 3-4 years of crappy running. Maybe he could get it together for a good race every once in a while, but I find it hard to believe he'll ever run 2:06 again, or anywhere close.

The solution for low testosterone is five bottles of beer and sex with his wife at least four times . . . if it was her birthday, the lady deserved a treat.

you're an expert right? wrote:

No, Ryan Hall's low testosterone is a result of over training for long periods. Pretty much in the same way that any man who over works at any job for long periods can get the same problem

If this were true it would be an epidemic.

dwightarm wrote:

If he tested for low testosterone is it illegal to have a dr prescribe him some to bring it back to previous level?

Yes. It's called a Therapeutic Use Exception. (TUE) And they do, in fact, hand them out for low Testosterone. But, there's no way he would get one because if it were an actual health condition, he would have a lifetime of health consequences and most performances would be way below elite.

Again, Sarah doesn't have a clue what she is saying.

ESPN:

"Heading into the 2014 Boston Marathon, the promise of an American victor seemed alive and well. Just a few weeks before the race, Hall got carried away while training at 7,000 feet in Ethiopia, cruising on a 23-mile tempo run while averaging 5:17 per mile. It was longer than his usual tempo runs (capped around 15 miles) and at a slightly slower pace, but he was healthy and feeling good."

He did not recover from this. Does it mimic the 40k type Canova athletes run 1 month out, and why would he do it if his hormonal systems have been compromised since 2011?

fred wrote:

you're an expert right? wrote:

No, Ryan Hall's low testosterone is a result of over training for long periods. Pretty much in the same way that any man who over works at any job for long periods can get the same problem

Do you have scientific studies that show a relationship between x amount of work, and low testosterone levels.

If you work your balls off, you will have low T.

Mr T wrote:

fred wrote:

Do you have scientific studies that show a relationship between x amount of work, and low testosterone levels.

If you work your balls off, you will have low T.

Where's the science?

Mr T wrote:

fred wrote:

Do you have scientific studies that show a relationship between x amount of work, and low testosterone levels.

If you work your balls off, you will have low T.

Temporarily. And very slightly below 1:1 I might add. Which is why a little Testogel goes a long way with a 4:1 threshold for a positive.

Except when the body stops producing T...

somebloke wrote:

Link to it:

http://www.runnersworld.com/chicago-marathon/sara-hall-gives-the-marathon-another-try

This is the bit I find very odd (referring to Ryan):

"He has some hormonal imbalances which could quickly be fixed illegally by microdosing, but that's obviously not the path he's taking. I think he can get back to where he was, but he won't be able to do it how he has done it in the past."

What is she talking about???!

She's just repeating what Magness told her.

Ryan was on thyroid before. If he got off it then this explains everything.

Coach Cookie wrote:

Ryan was on thyroid before. If he got off it then this explains everything.

#FamWasRight

pop_pop!_v2.1 wrote:

dwightarm wrote:

If he tested for low testosterone is it illegal to have a dr prescribe him some to bring it back to previous level?

Yes. It's called a Therapeutic Use Exception. (TUE) And they do, in fact, hand them out for low Testosterone. But, there's no way he would get one because if it were an actual health condition, he would have a lifetime of health consequences and most performances would be way below elite.

"G.R." might have something to say about this.