According to a Track and Field News article Paula will run
more 1500m in attempt to lower her 4:05 pr close to 4 min flat (she stated she have run 4:02 a couple times in pratice).
Haile Gebrselassie has the best marks with his 3:52.39 Mile on 27 June 1999 and his 2:06:35 14 April 2002. (his 3:31.76i indoor 1500m equates to 3:48.26yi)
Antonio Pinto has run around 3-37; 13-02; 27-12 and 2-06 36
Not quite Haile but perhaps the best for a European runner.
Dan Brown won the Twin City Marathon and runs a 3:59 mile (read it last night off the American Track and Field Winter 2000 mag).
You can add Tergat to that list. In addition to running 2:05:48, he can run under 4:00 in the mile.
He ran 7:28.7 in the 3000 back in 1996 and it looks like, according to
, that en route he went through the mile in 3:58.4 and the 2000 in 4:57.4.
It would have been interesting to see what kind of 1500 or mile he could have run in a race at the time. You would think he would be capable of a 3:53.
MxPx wrote:
Dan Brown won the Twin City Marathon and runs a 3:59 mile (read it last night off the American Track and Field Winter 2000 mag).
Question was, has any GREAT marathon runner run a sub 4 mile?
2:11 is not great.
Quite clearly, Geb is winning this contest hands down.
Considering that is his debut beating 2 decent Kenyans and it was not on a lightning fast course like Berlin, Chicago, London, or Boston, I think he should be included in this conversation.
Especially after he run the 2003 LaSalle Bank Chicago Marathon! (with same prepartion as Twin Cities, better competition, and faster course Dan should EASILY run 2:08:45!!)
mark carroll 351-mile, 209-marathon
I guess its safe to say that Geb is the fastest miler/marathoner. Is it just a matter of time before he becames a full time marathon runner and smashes Khannouchi's record? Will the greatest Distance runner also be the greatest marathon runner?
Ouch! The Dina slaps down Dan Browne. Hey, does the U of O athletic department put a computer on your grass mower so you can peruse the web while mowing the lawn. Bill Moos must be a nice guy to do that! Of course we all know that the best marathoners run 2:20 and change and come from Beantown.
If Paula is the first to go sub-4 and sub-2:20, in the same season, that will be quite an amazing feat.
Any men go sub-4/sub-2:10 in the same year?
Hinderloppet wrote:
Ouch! The Dina slaps down Dan Browne. Hey, does the U of O athletic department put a computer on your grass mower so you can peruse the web while mowing the lawn. Bill Moos must be a nice guy to do that! Of course we all know that the best marathoners run 2:20 and change and come from Beantown.
The intent was not to slap down Dan Browne. It was to say that 2:11 is not considered great anymore. I feel that Browne will run well under 2:10.
Tons of guys have done this, Tergat. Geb, Dixon, Anton, even Juma Ikangaa claimed to have ran sub four, and people said he was slow. There are so many countless Kenyans who have run sub 2:10 who have also likely popped a good 1500 or mile this list could go on for quite a ways. It would be interesting to see a list of all those that have done it though.
I don't think it's as common as might think. Of course, it depends on the definition of a great marathon runner, but I'll accept sub-2:10.
So the rules are a sub-4 mile (not a 1500m equivalent) and a sub-2:10 marathon (not a promise of potential, but an actual time).
To start off, according to my research the fastest British marathon runner who has clocked sub-4 is Gary Staines; 3:53 and 2:11:25. There are no UK runners that fulfill both criteria (Steve Jones and Paul Evans are both fractionally outside 4:00).
Geb with 3:52 and 2:06:35 is the clear leader.
Hey Hinderloppet, don't be pickin on us boy's in Beantown.
We may be 2:20 and change guy's but we can sure kick some ass!
Hey, can't a guy have some fun. I ain't got no beef with the boys from Beantown. I know that if there was a string for Beantown boys who can run and drink a lot, the Dina would be at the top of the list. Except maybe Malmo. Or Mike Romer. by the way, add Malmo to the list. I think he ran close to sub-4, plus ran 8:20 something in the steeple, and 61 minutes for the half.
P.S. Add to that, great gardeners, drinkers and runners, definitely The Dina would be the best. He has the best back yard in town. & well watered by beer.
Coach Randy Thomas said that back in the day he was one of only 12 men to have broken 4:00 and 2:12 in the marathon. He believes that if any of the Kenyans out there now did speedwork for more than a month that they could do it too, easy.
Hinderloppet, I'm going out for a 10 miler now. Then I'm going home to my awesome back yard, cracking a brewskie,
and getting on my computer (not my work computer which by the way was not from Bill Moo's but Uncle Phil), and pick on somemore runner's who are much better than me.
P.S.- My grass looks awesome except the yellow pee spots from all that beer!
In that case, neither is sub-4.
The Dina wrote:
Hinderloppet wrote:Ouch! The Dina slaps down Dan Browne. Hey, does the U of O athletic department put a computer on your grass mower so you can peruse the web while mowing the lawn. Bill Moos must be a nice guy to do that! Of course we all know that the best marathoners run 2:20 and change and come from Beantown.
The intent was not to slap down Dan Browne. It was to say that 2:11 is not considered great anymore. I feel that Browne will run well under 2:10.
Dina-
Hope you aren't sitting in your back yard & drinking beer in the rain!