Panamania wrote:
What a babe.
Agreed. Too bad I saw a ring on her in one of the photos, though.
Panamania wrote:
What a babe.
Agreed. Too bad I saw a ring on her in one of the photos, though.
Big win and great result for Bishop.
Lighten up. It was a fine little joke. Too many are too eager to find offense and/or point out the supposed ignorance of un-washed others.
Run more even steven wrote:
Alysia Montaño is a One Trick Pony. Goes out in 56 and slowly dies and gets passed.
This tactic caused her to go home with no medal at worlds and the Olympics. She can win a medal if she just ran smarter!
Except for the fact that she is the US 800 champ this year because she is not a one trick pony.
On a related note, hopefully we will see Ms Wilson back running soon and I hope her foot has healed up from the SNAFU at nationals. Montano is unlikely to be strong enough by Worlds to get through the rounds and still have enough left to run 1:57 and be in contention at the end.
Stick with eharmony wrote:
What are the pan am games? Is that a high school dual meet?
How were you able to sign up for a letsrun.com account without your parents approval?
what a hottie! nice to see a sexy human female win for once!
See link here for the full race. Perfect race for Bishop. 2nd sub 2 minute run post pregnancy for Montano.
http://panam.cbc.ca/news/article/melissa-bishop-gives-canada-gold-800m.html
Run more even steven wrote:
Alysia Montaño is a One Trick Pony. Goes out in 56 and slowly dies and gets passed.
This tactic caused her to go home with no medal at worlds and the Olympics. She can win a medal if she just ran smarter!
Alysia did not go out in 56,m I have her at a high 57 or perhaps 58 flat. She was at least a half second off the at the quarter. If she had went out in 56, she most likely would have won. Alsysia only needed to run 1:58 to win that race, which she has done numerous times off of going out in 56. Going out in 56 only becomes a problem when you are in race with athletes capable of closing in sub-60. That was a good race, Alsysia should be proud of her silver medal, she lost to an extremely game athlete who is perhaps on a slightly different time table. Also, personally, I think Alsysia may have underestimated Melissa and probably thought that was going to be a 2 flat race, which has kind of been the standard for Pan Ams.
No Coach, MB has a higher skill level, I think Melissa was surprised Alsysia was with a second of her.
babe, indeed wrote:
Panamania wrote:What a babe.
Agreed. Too bad I saw a ring on her in one of the photos, though.
ring is not on the ring finger but her middle finger.
https://postmediawindsorstar.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/23bishop.jpg?w=950&h=836Not that this improves the odds for you one iota.
Looks like we have a J Gray saprophyte on board.Going out in 56 is almost always detrimental for Alysia, and even 57/58 is dicey racing when windy, as it was in Toronto (for front-running in the wind results, look at Duane at USATF or Goule at NCAA). She was lucky to get silver with that. She has improved her tactics considerably on her reboot: at USATF she let Price play the sacrificial goat and profited handsomely.
TrackCoach wrote:
Run more even steven wrote:Alysia Montaño is a One Trick Pony. Goes out in 56 and slowly dies and gets passed.
This tactic caused her to go home with no medal at worlds and the Olympics. She can win a medal if she just ran smarter!
Alysia did not go out in 56,m I have her at a high 57 or perhaps 58 flat. She was at least a half second off the at the quarter. If she had went out in 56, she most likely would have won. Alsysia only needed to run 1:58 to win that race, which she has done numerous times off of going out in 56. Going out in 56 only becomes a problem when you are in race with athletes capable of closing in sub-60. That was a good race, Alsysia should be proud of her silver medal, she lost to an extremely game athlete who is perhaps on a slightly different time table. Also, personally, I think Alsysia may have underestimated Melissa and probably thought that was going to be a 2 flat race, which has kind of been the standard for Pan Ams.
Actual 800 Coach wrote:
Looks like we have a J Gray saprophyte on board.
Going out in 56 is almost always detrimental for Alysia, and even 57/58 is dicey racing when windy, as it was in Toronto (for front-running in the wind results, look at Duane at USATF or Goule at NCAA). She was lucky to get silver with that. She has improved her tactics considerably on her reboot: at USATF she let Price play the sacrificial goat and profited handsomely.
TrackCoach wrote:Alysia did not go out in 56,m I have her at a high 57 or perhaps 58 flat. She was at least a half second off the at the quarter. If she had went out in 56, she most likely would have won. Alsysia only needed to run 1:58 to win that race, which she has done numerous times off of going out in 56. Going out in 56 only becomes a problem when you are in race with athletes capable of closing in sub-60. That was a good race, Alsysia should be proud of her silver medal, she lost to an extremely game athlete who is perhaps on a slightly different time table. Also, personally, I think Alsysia may have underestimated Melissa and probably thought that was going to be a 2 flat race, which has kind of been the standard for Pan Ams.
USATF is a bad example, national championships in a WC year is about first making the team. At USATF, Alysia didn't go for a home run because her first priority was finishing top 3.
I don't necessary believe in going out superfast, but I do believe in playing to your strengths. Alysia is a solid 52x quartermiler, which is about a second or 2 fasters than most 800m runners. Going out in 56 is probably too fast, unless you intend to run 1:56, it is definitely too fast for the 1:57/58 she commonly runs. However, going out in 56 for a 52x 400m runners feels about the same as it does for a 54x 400m runner going out in 58. With her speed, she should be getting out faster than most 800m runners, Alysia's problems have had more do with leading/breaking the wind and basically ending up a pacer for athletes who are equally as good.
Whenever an 800m runners goes out fast and loses in the homestretch, LD-types are always quick to point out the athlete lost because they went out too fast. LD-types do the same thing when an 800m is near the back and can't catch the leaders coming down the homestretch. The fact is, sometimes those athletes simply got beat by better athletes and would have lost no matter how they ran the race. Win, lose or draw, you have to run the race that suits your talents. There is nothing worst than losing, knowing you didn't run your own race. Btw, your best 800m runners almost always run from the front or the back and the guys in the middle are usually your role players. 800m runners don't like being touched because their feet are in the air more than on the ground and one bump, while not in contact with the ground can end your race. That along with hitting your first lap within a half second of your goal pace is the aspect that makes the 800m perhaps the most difficult race to call. In global championships, the rule in the 800m is whoever makes the final has a shot to win.
In reference to Johnny Gray, is an Olympic medalist, he is arguably America's greatest 800m and if he had been born a few years earlier or few years latter, he would probably have a couple more global championship medals. Johnny Gray's most successful races where when he went out superfast and his most devastating as well...but he always gambled and went for the homerun
I don't think her Nigerian BF appreciate this thread
https://instagram.com/p/3jOMv_RBOH/?taken-by=melissacorinneb
Panamania wrote:
Stick with eharmony wrote:What are the pan am games? Is that a high school dual meet?
I dunno, Bishop beat the reigning US champion in the 800m. Does that usually happen at a high school meet?
DUDE!!! u just outrolled a letsrun troll with a power level of 9000! congrats bruh.
oh, canada wrote:
babe, indeed wrote:Agreed. Too bad I saw a ring on her in one of the photos, though.
ring is not on the ring finger but her middle finger.
https://postmediawindsorstar.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/23bishop.jpg?w=950&h=836Not that this improves the odds for you one iota.
This is the pic in which I saw it on her ring-finger:
https://postmediawindsorstar.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/149972769.jpgoh, canada wrote:
ring is not on the ring finger but her middle finger.
https://postmediawindsorstar.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/23bishop.jpg?w=950&h=836
...and actually, now that I look closer at the pic you posted, she has a ring on her right ring-finger in addition to the left middle finger.
A 4 second slowdown (58-62=2:00), let alone a 6 second one (56-62=1:58), can hardly be beneficial as a tactic in an 800m. If she goes out in 57 seconds at full strength and comes back in 59 seconds, that's a gold medal at world champs right there.
Alysia did just have a baby you fool. Every other race bishop and Alysia have been in, Bishop is 3 seconds back. She didn't crush anything. This is what crushing looks like. Bishop isn't even in the frame.
http://www.runnerspace.com/video.php?video_id=69627#ooid=tvYzN4NDplIwNmVSy8tkDxO9UmWnJjpP
TrackCoach wrote:
Whenever an 800m runners goes out fast and loses in the homestretch, LD-types are always quick to point out the athlete lost because they went out too fast.
LD runners are inept at math and think that because the leader at the bell is run down more than half the time, therefore it must be better not to lead. But incognizant of the fact there are 7 runners behind the leader and not 1.
Certainly the leader wins more than 1/8 of the time, and I would be shocked if it's not a greater percentage of the time than any position from 2 through 8. Since 2008 the leader has won the men's oly/WC 800's 4 of 5 times, and silver the other time... and that was Symmonds, who had never led - or medalled - before. If he's smart he'll lead again.
Another thing LD runners don't realize is that non-leaders don't ever get to "settle in" and draft in an 800. Sit on the rail and you will likely be boxed in through turn 3 and have to weave through traffic on the homestretch. Stay wide and you will be running wide through all three turns. Nobody controls their own destiny but the leader.
