Michael Johnsons Atlanta "drug test"

ooooh, good burn

drug tester wrote:

I think you will find that the mens 5000m final was on August 3. Semi final August 1. They do test in preliminaries of major championships, BOYS.

you got a link on that? maybe i'm wrong, but i recall there being two days, not one, between the semi and the final. been eight years, though, so memory might be faulty.

Maybe he was juiced, maybe not but first did Bitok have a watch and time MJ to the second? What's up with that? But what's real telling about this story is let's assume MJ was juiced and was intentionally trying to cover it up do many of you really believe he would be so stupid not to wait a bit longer before coming out knowing that people were all around?

I don't buy it, he may have been juiced but nobody is that stupid to come out in one minute

chuck d, you are right

semi final (actually only heat) was on July 31. There were two days off in between the semi and final

http://nhs.needham.k12.ma.us/WebCamp/wc96/lg/schedule.html

So, my question still stands. Why would Bitok be tested on a day in between prelims and finals, when presumably, he might have been tested on either July 31 or Aug 3?

there's no reason at all for him to be tested at that time; surely not by the ioc, surely not at the olympic stadium, and surely not at that time of night. just another bullshit story where someone tries to make it seem credible by adding some detail which ends up making it not credible at all.

actually, that link of yours doesn't settle it; says round 1 was on 7/31, semi on 8/1, and final on 8/3. but i don't recall there being three rounds and i'm pretty sure what's posted there is just the prospective schedule and they whittled things back to the semi/heat 1 being 7/31 and skip right to the final on 8/3. maybe someone remembers for sure or has a better link.

How about a photo of Bitok in action dated 8/1? I would have to believe the date is accurate (and the photo is from the semi) given that the other photos in the library from that date all check out (MJ, Perec, O'Brien). You just change the six digit number to move through the library.

good enough for me.

Um, when you are notified of a test you first have to sign the declaration of notification - you're not required to immediately take the test ...

I heard Jim Spivey talk about his Olympic experiences and he talked about having to be tested after he failed to advance in the 5K. He said he was waiting (and drinking tons of water) when MJ came through and was done in no time. He wasn't accusing Johnson of anything, but was merely sharing a funny story about a conversation he had with Johnson about who would win between the two of them in a mile based on questions Spivey's son had asked. So that's another account of a quick test, but I have no idea the actual time.

I assume that everyone at the top is dirty so I don't really care, but the story doesn't mean shit. So much is full of it - first, a 20 minute ordeal? I've taken drug tests before, and mine took just as long as it took me to pee and have my urine put into two bottles (about 2 minutes, in other words). Second, "less than a minute"? Did he time it? This just isn't credible. How do we know he even peed in that area, maybe the drug dude went with him to another bathroom because he wasn't comfortable dropping trou in front of other athletes? The point is we don't have a freaking clue what goes on back there, so we can't come to any conclusions just because his drug test was a little quick. If he were really going to skip a drug test, do you think they would've been that obvious about it? I wouldn't surprised if he were dirty, but even if that story is true it doesn't mean anything. Like someone already said - what was Bitok doing in there? Tampering with his sample? Switching his sample for Tergat's? The conspiracy theories are endless and stupid.

guys, it is not about the time that it takes someone to pee. The question is: What are the responsible IAAF people doing at that spot. There is no reason for them to be there!

But why has it taken eight whole seasons for this to suddenly become a topic of conversation? If it was really such a striking anomaly, why has it only just come out?

Gearhead wrote:

But why has it taken eight whole seasons for this to suddenly become a topic of conversation? If it was really such a striking anomaly, why has it only just come out?

It has just come out on letsrun now. People in the know (e.g. agents) know a lot of the things going on behind the scenes. A lot of these storries don't come out.

Sampling can NOT be done in under a minute, division of samples, signing forms, checking of vessels, ph and gravity of sample...its not possible. Having said that so say hes a cheat? and...?? what is draggin it up years after he has retired going to achieve? help me understand her people? do u really give a shit?

that little story about peeing in under a minute means nothing to me. If he did cheat, why even bring him there in the first place? Why not take the paperwork to him?

well, Ive heard all the excuses about this one. So very amusing that those who attempted to tell me A)this story isnt accurate and B)I am making it up, couldnt even get their facts right. The best one is a few jackasses trying to go back and time and tell us A)there wasnt 3 rounds of the 5000m in 1996, and B)they didnt run a 5000 on the 1st of August, the same night as Johnson faked his test.

Another classic was the guy who dodnt read the story right, and suggested that Bitok was in the lab tampering with his piss - funnily enough the same guy who said it was possible to complete a drug test in under 2 minutes, so go figure with him. You guys need to get your facts right before opening your mouths. Not only finals are subjected to drug testing. I didnt even question why Bitok was taking a test. But he was.

When I heard this recount, I didnt even think about Bitok, it was Mr X (and those calling for a name, are you idiots serious? I am sworn to keep him anonymous for OBVIOUS reasons) - sports agent from Global who was standing OUTSIDE the testing area (as only one accredited offcial from a nations country are allowed to accompany an athlete into the logistics part of the testing zone ie. for paper form completion etc) whose account amazed me. What I am telling you, is he saw Michael Johnson and Istavan Gyuli walk in the door, and out in a very short time. And he says short, it is unbelievably short - as in unbelievable and NOT POSSIBLE that a correct drug testing procedure took part. We are not talking short time as in 5 minutes, but "about" a minute give or take (and not give or take 4 minutes) seconds - yeah, like he had the foresight to crack out his stopwatch and time them. Bitoks account backs this up. He told X that he saw Johnson enter the logistics area, APPEAR to do no more than sign his name under the watch of Gyuli, and walk out. And this last post about "taking the paperwork to him" is so stupid I dont want to get into it, but at each drug testing facility there is a log that shows which athletes have been there and for how long - which must match up with the authorities list of athletes to be tested ie. bascially confirming their appearance.

sorry, your great American hero is a fraud. Look, its nothing against any American personally. people all around the world have cheated before and will cheat again. This is not a big "coming out" story against Johnson. I am surprised this wasnt a consensus before I wrote this - the Johnson was a cheat) There are many other great recounts against "great" athletes out there its just part of the entertainment.

There is also the story of when the French set the 4x100m record, they went into the drug testing area and the lights miraculously went out. Like others have said, and I believe some cheat and have had help along the way in covering it up.

I love sports and am a big fan of MLB and the NFL. I also realize there is probably rampant drug use, especially in football. Don't know the specific numbers, but the average weight of a football player has gone up dramatically in the last 15 or so years. I don't think it is evolution. I think the E/P ratio that will produce a positive in football is 10 to 1. A person's natural ratio is usually 1 to 1.

Nothing new.

I will address each of your points one by one:

1. You say Americans don't drug test properly - yeah, I mean we're obviously far worse than the East Germans, Russians, and Chinese. Americans are the GOOD GUYS in the fight against drugs - we might have a lot of cheats but we have a lot of people trying to fight against drugs as well.

2. The drug test was a random HS drug test for athletes (and don't go BSing to me "oh that's different" - no it isn't, why would the procedure be any different)

3. So far the only minute detail you listed was the pH reading, which I don't think was done at my test (please scientifically explain what this is for - I'm not saying that no drug test requires a pH reading, I just need more information - how do we know Olympic drug tests test the pH of urine anyway? We don't because we don't know SHIT about the drugtests which is why this new revolutionary "eyewitness" story is pointless)

4. How exactly would having someone watch you pee as opposed to you being by yourself (which you list as one of those minute details that drags out the test) make the test take longer? I even mentioned that someone watches you pee, that doesn't extend the amount of time that you pee unless you're one of those guys that can't pee in front of people.

Even with pH testing, I don't see it couldn't be done in 2.5 minutes. Besides, I don't trust Mr X or Paul Bitok with the whole "in and out in one minute" thing- Bitok is a Kenyan and Mr X probably is too, and we all know how good they are at measuring time (ie all of their great "junior" athletes)