You could get some scholarship money at a Christian NAIA school for those types of times.
You could get some scholarship money at a Christian NAIA school for those types of times.
d2xccoach wrote:
This will be my 15th year coaching a small D2 school, XC only. The slowest guy I've coached was around 40:00 for 8k. I think his best in college was around 38:45. Of course there's more to the story... He's from a rural part of the state where our college is located and ran on his high school team. He had been born with some physical issues that limited one of his legs to only bending about 45°. He stopped by my office before classes started, told me his story and asked what he needed to do to run with the team. We had a decent team that fall but I had room on the roster so my main concern if he was going to be on the team was that he was going to get behind on all the training runs and get lost. It's hard enough for the freshmen to follow some of the routes we do until they get to know their way around, let alone trying to do it solo. I thought it over and decided to give him a chance with some caveats like I would give him modified routes that were out-and-backs and when we were doing workouts I'd have him start with the rest of the team but kind of do his own thing - or if somebody on the team needed to go easy they'd go with him those days. He was a hard worker, no doubt about that. Earned everybody's respect very quickly. In 4 years I never heard a complaint. I think he only beat a handful of guys from other colleges racing for us but he never stopped trying. He ended up graduating as a triple major Bio/Chem/Math almost Physics too almost a 4.0 and just completed Med School.
Perspective...
Thank you for this post. Stuff like this is too rare around here. "Perspective" indeed.
A female probably could make a team running 8:00 or slower. Must be some tremendously slow XC results out there for low D3 programs.
We had guys on a certain D2 team that averaged over 5 during track season... Juniors and seniors. There's a certain small private University in Western NC that has the worst coaching I've ever encountered...
scholarshipmaterialforgirls wrote:
A female probably could make a team running 8:00 or slower.
Really?
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try-ath-uh-leet wrote:
d2xccoach wrote:This will be my 15th year coaching a small D2 school, XC only. The slowest guy I've coached was around 40:00 for 8k. I think his best in college was around 38:45. Of course there's more to the story... He's from a rural part of the state where our college is located and ran on his high school team. He had been born with some physical issues that limited one of his legs to only bending about 45°. He stopped by my office before classes started, told me his story and asked what he needed to do to run with the team. We had a decent team that fall but I had room on the roster so my main concern if he was going to be on the team was that he was going to get behind on all the training runs and get lost. It's hard enough for the freshmen to follow some of the routes we do until they get to know their way around, let alone trying to do it solo. I thought it over and decided to give him a chance with some caveats like I would give him modified routes that were out-and-backs and when we were doing workouts I'd have him start with the rest of the team but kind of do his own thing - or if somebody on the team needed to go easy they'd go with him those days. He was a hard worker, no doubt about that. Earned everybody's respect very quickly. In 4 years I never heard a complaint. I think he only beat a handful of guys from other colleges racing for us but he never stopped trying. He ended up graduating as a triple major Bio/Chem/Math almost Physics too almost a 4.0 and just completed Med School.
Perspective...
Thank you for this post. Stuff like this is too rare around here. "Perspective" indeed.
Second this. Great read!
Yeah, due to XC being a de facto federally protected sport if a girl wants to run in college not only will she make the team, she'll probably get some scholarship money if she shops around.
Check this.
http://www.wells-express.com/sports/mxc/2014-15/files/2014.pdf
http://www.wells-express.com/sports/wxc/2014-15/files/2014.pdf
And since their women's team was 6/11 and made the regional, there are five teams worse than this in their conference alone...
BUMP
YoureStupid wrote:
Division 3 Doesn't Cut...
Plenty of D3 schools cut kids from their team.
Most D3 schools allow anyone onto the team. There are some really bad D1 teams but they aren’t really D1 because they don’t offer scholarships. Vanderbilt and Creighton are 2 of those teams. The teams are essentially D3 but the schools are D1 so the track/xc teams compete in D1 also.
I watched a race where the top 2 runners from Chapman College in LA ran about 50 minutes for 10K. They didn't live up to being the "Panthers".
I didn't get the hate for 15:00 5K guys. They would be one of the top runners for most D2 teams.
Interesting username... wrote:
YoureStupid wrote:
Division 3 Doesn't Cut...
Plenty of D3 schools cut kids from their team.
Ours didn't. People cut themselves, usually after a week or so of morning runs, or that first 15-miler. Otherwise, anyone was welcome as long as they showed up and tried to keep up. Along the way, we had at least a couple of butterballs that beat themselves into 28:xx 8k runners. Not that fast, even for d3, but they were guys you could count on.
YoureStupid wrote:
Division 3 Doesn't Cut...
You sure they let 6-minute milers get on their teams? In high school they would. Doubt they would get into D3.
Fasterthanthou wrote:
Pretty much anyone running over 15 minutes for 5k is useless at any level.
The worst, most delusional college runners are always the 15 min guys. They think they're better than they are. Even if they were a minute faster they would still suck. Ask any 15 min guy their pr and they will tell you how their workouts indicate sub 14:30 shape.
This.
At truly elite schools like BYU, NAU, Washington & CU if you can't run sub 14:30 in 9th grade you suck.
You might as well just go be a Duck at Oregon or some other sub elite school cuz you suck so bad.
I was really fortunate to be given a chance to run for a marginally decent DII school (graduated in 2016) with a pretty unimpressive high school resume. 2:02, 4:45, 10:40, 17:40 in high school eventually whittled down to 2:00, 4:08 (1500), 9:09 (3000), 15:50. Most DII/DIII schools aren't in the business of turning away athletes who show decent potential and interest.
The MEAC schools are horrible for men’s and women’s distance.
https://www.tfrrs.org/results/xc/14751/MEAC_Cross_Country_Championships
This link works.
Surprised by the results. Looks like a high school meet.
https://www.runnerspace.com/eprofile.php?do=info&event_id=1524&year=2018
FlyingFast wrote:
This link works.
My link worked too.