Big development: US and UK anti doping have asked for WADA to ban synthetic thyroid meds!!!

He-Manocrit wrote:

So a diabetic shouldn't be allowed insulin, effectively eliminating a sports career? Not as easy a question as it might seem, hence the "grey area". I think TUEs should be allowed but made public record.

That diabetic is free to use insulin as long as everybody else is allowed. There should be nothing that is legal for some but illegal for others.

LetsRun.com wrote:

Big development: US and UK anti doping have asked for WADA to ban synthetic thyroid meds!!!

They believe the drugs can be abused to be performance enhancing.

That IS big news. If it comes to pass, what a shame it will be for the Gouchers and Magness. Asterisks will likely need be added to Kara's bronze, Adam's world X-C performance and his other top times, and maybe Magness' 4:01 mile?

Will Kara have to give back prize money? What a shame.

brogan1 wrote:

He-Manocrit wrote:

So a diabetic shouldn't be allowed insulin, effectively eliminating a sports career? Not as easy a question as it might seem, hence the "grey area". I think TUEs should be allowed but made public record.

That diabetic is free to use insulin as long as everybody else is allowed. There should be nothing that is legal for some but illegal for others.

Wrong, its not about the drug but the performance enhancement. A diabetuc is allowed to bring their blood sugar back to normal as long as everyone else is allowed to.

Boca baton wrote:

With endocrinologists not on the same page regarding what "normal" levels of thyroid hormones are, what standards will WADA and/or USADA require?

I'm just trying to determine if this proposal is bringing actual improvements or just more red tape (that wastes USADA and WADA's time) that is fairly easy for athletes to manipulate.

There are published and widely accepted standards for what constitutes a normal clinical measurement. Doctors are free to prescribe outside of those boundaries but they are not practicing in accord with the standards.

This is not just for endocrinologists, doctors have wide freedom to do things such as prescribe medications off label, for example. In many ways things are much more black and white in the thyroid example then in many other areas of medical practice, since it is based predominantly on a lab test whereas many conditions are diagnosed predominantly or solely based on examination and history.

I do not know much at all about the practice of medicine outside this country, so I don't know if doctors in other countries share the same clinical standards or operate with the same freedom.

I would assume? that they would just adopt the standard which is widely accepted and published in the literature as the TUE standard, but I don't really know.

Blah Blah Blah wrote:

Thyroid drugs are not performance enhancers to those who don't have hypothyroidism either.

Given the amount of pro runners who had major performance spikes after going on thyroid medicine, I'm not sure I believe this.

Mo ran sub 13 while having thyroid issues? Hard to believe. Mo becomes best in world, wins double gold after "fixing" his problem?

I don't buy it.

There's also testimony from NOP runners saying their gains after taking thyroid medication were to the point they considered it cheating.

bigtool05 wrote:

He-Manocrit wrote:

So a diabetic shouldn't be allowed insulin, effectively eliminating a sports career? Not as easy a question as it might seem, hence the "grey area". I think TUEs should be allowed but made public record.

Since when is insulin a performance enhancer?

I've read about lifters using "slin" (insulin) before. This article from the Los Angeles Times in 2003 says that track and field competitors and other endurance athletes have used it as well.

The author writes:

"Meanwhile, the benefits haven't been proved. There's no scientific proof that the insulin does help build muscles or enhance performance.

The bodybuilders take the insulin with a meal, thinking that the body will better absorb and utilize the calories. The steroids and human growth hormone help build new muscle and the insulin is believed by bodybuilders to help prevent it from breaking down."

noname wrote:

But for people who don't make enough, it allows them to lead a normal life. This is the same for thyroid meds. If you have enough it's not a performance enhancer but if you are clinically low, it allows you to live normally.

What idiots like you don't understand is that it's the training, including living in an altitude tent that brings on the need for thyroid meds to "allow you to live normally". That's why they should be banned. If you don't need thyroid meds when you're not training then you shouldn't be allowed to take them just to be able to train.

To accurately determine someone's actual hormone levels a doctor should conduct the test when the athlete has not trained for several weeks. Going for a hormone test after completing a race followed by a workout is akin to getting an athsma test after running to the doctor's office following a workout when the lungs are stressed. No TUEs should be allowed if tests are not conducted on the athlete's normal hormone levels, not when they are overtrained.

How is Rupp going to do the mileage of a 10k runner, the speed work of a miler, break American records and follow it with a full workout, do the gym work of a sprinter, add extra milage on underwater treadmill, while adding the added stress of sleeping at a simulated 10000 feet altitude? Any doctor who tested his hormones and prescribed hormone therapy without considering this should be struck off the register. Any coach who encouraged an athlete to use hormone therapy to continue training when rest was clearly needed should be sued for damages to that athlete's health.

LetsRun.com wrote:

They believe the drugs can be abused to be performance enhancing.

The Wall St Journal has broken the story here:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/thyroid-medication-could-be-added-to-banned-substance-list-1436221098

This is nothing more posturing, it will never-ever happen. At the end-of-the- day, they simply want to improve the controls over certain classes of drugs. I don't think they expect to get a homerun, they simply want to get on based perhaps by tightening up the TUE process. There are way too many professional athletes in all sports with legitimate medical issues who would not be able to compete with out certain drugs and in most cases those drugs simply allow them to compete on an even grade.

Consider getting rid of the TUEs submitted by docs connected with athletes, teams, coaches, etc., and establish a couple dozen certified WADA TUE providers. - Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Drug Tzaralazar wrote:

How is Rupp going to do the mileage of a 10k runner, the speed work of a miler, break American records and follow it with a full workout, do the gym work of a sprinter, add extra milage on underwater treadmill, while adding the added stress of sleeping at a simulated 10000 feet altitude? Any doctor who tested his hormones and prescribed hormone therapy without considering this should be struck off the register. Any coach who encouraged an athlete to use hormone therapy to continue training when rest was clearly needed should be sued for damages to that athlete's health.

So schumacher as well?

tired of drugs apologists wrote:

If you don't need thyroid meds when you're not training then you shouldn't be allowed to take them just to be able to train.

I don't need 3 liters of water per day when I'm not training, only when I am. Should I have my water consumption capped? I mean I only really need that water to get my levels up to normal. If I didn't train so hard, they'd be at normal levels with minimal water consumption.

ya..... wrote:

brogan1 wrote:

That diabetic is free to use insulin as long as everybody else is allowed. There should be nothing that is legal for some but illegal for others.

Wrong, its not about the drug but the performance enhancement. A diabetuc is allowed to bring their blood sugar back to normal as long as everyone else is allowed to.

I never stated the way things are, I stated the way things should be.

brogan1 wrote:

ya..... wrote:

Wrong, its not about the drug but the performance enhancement. A diabetuc is allowed to bring their blood sugar back to normal as long as everyone else is allowed to.

I never stated the way things are, I stated the way things should be.

And I'm saying your assertion is wrong.

Porcine better than bovine as pigs are more similar to humans. This is actually what my athletes with Hashis use.

rojo wrote:

I just got this email from a LRC visitor.

He wrote:

Thanks for your coverage of the Salazar/NOP.

While a ban on *synthetic* thyroid (Synthroid/Cytomel) sounds great on the surface, cheaters would only switch over to the non-synthetic sources such as porcine and/or bovine (pigs/cows). Prior to Synthroid/Cytomel - thyroid was typically supplied by Armour and Company (meat packing/processing) and sold as "Armour Thyroid", this pharmaceutical division is owned by Forest Laboratories.

Keep up the great work.

Bovine thyroid here we come, baby!!!

Drug Tzaralazar wrote:

Any doctor who tested his hormones and prescribed hormone therapy without considering this should be struck off the register. Any coach who encouraged an athlete to use hormone therapy to continue training when rest was clearly needed should be sued for damages to that athlete's health.

Well, that is just entirely inconsistent with the way medicine is practiced and regulated in this country.

I'm not saying it isn't dubious from a sporting prospective, but from a medical/regulatory framework that is just not the way it works with regards to any other patient and doctor. I don't think they will be changing that system just to regulate medications for elite athletes which affects only thousand of people in the entire country.

The only sure fact is if any NOPers are using thyroid meds, then they are performance enhancing. They don't do a single thing in that program that isn't slanted to the evil side. If they say that they have a disease, then they don't because they are incapable of telling the truth.

So as former members of NOP, both Gouchers, Steve Magness, and the other "witnesses" are lying based on your stated premise that NOPers are incapable of telling the truth. Well, that clears that up. Moving on.

Water is not a controlled substance/medication/drug. Are you that fuucking stupid?