Magness Defends Rupp in 2006, SAME THYROID DOCTOR

I'm not trying to argue one way or the other about Rupp, but the content in the OP is a poor argument because:

1) 2006 was a long time ago. Things change. People change.

2) Magness had no direct experience with the NOP when he wrote that stuff.

3) Whether Rupp's thyroid meds are legit or not does not necessarily say anything about all the other allegations that have been made against Salazar.

woidklskldklsjdjkw wrote:

Good ol' Dr Brown wrote:

Deflect to your hearts desire wrote:

Albertos Cytomel argument doesn't hold water. He states it's from August when he ordered a prescription for Kara...

Per AlSal's Exhibit #21, the letter written by Dr. Brown a few weeks ago, Kara is not named as the one receiving Cytomel. The name used by Dr. Drown is the generic "an athlete." Why is AlSal's pet Dr. Brown discussing a prescription without a name going along with it?

"AlSal's pet Dr. Brown," ah yes, just ignore Dr. Brown's pre-existing relationship with Magness/Goucher and make him out to be "AlSal's pet." You're proof of why this thread with the Magness quotes is so valuable.

Anyway..

Dr. Brown didn't bother because there's only one athlete (Kara Goucher) that fits the context.

-- Wrong. A prescription for a controlled substance must be dated and signed on the date when issued. The prescription must include the patient’s full name and address, and the practitioner’s full name, address, and DEA registration number. The prescription must also include: drug name, strength, dosage form, quantity prescribed, directions for use, number of refills (if any) authorized.

Dr. Brown replying to Salazar:

"I have read the June 3, 2015 ProPublica article by David Epstein titled: "Off Track: Fromer Members Accuse Famed Coach Alberto Salaza of Breaking Drug Rules." The article contains allegations that are inaccurate and that I would like to correct.

-- You omitted the following paragraph: "The article asserts that you directed an athlete..." No "patient" name is listed.

Yes, you've posted that many times on many threads.

There is a difference between being prescribed something to take for a valid reason and at another time, having your coach hand you some of your teammates pills and tell you to take them.

AlSals army is out in force on this thyroid issue today. It's all part of the plan.

Sums It Up Well wrote:

Herriman wrote:

She's no longer credible until she produces documentation that she did not take Cytomel except when pushed to do so by AS, and has A LOT of explaining to do.

This makes no sense at all. AS pushing someone to take Cytomel has absolutely nothing to do with use of Cytomel at any other time by that someone. AS is improperly playing doctor. He can go to jail for this.

O'doyle rules O'doyle rules wrote:

Yes, you've posted that many times on many threads.

There is a difference between being prescribed something to take for a valid reason and at another time, having your coach [at your doctor's request] hand you some of your teammates pills and tell you to take them.

It has been posted many times on many threads because we keep having to go over the same things again and again. Salazar has a documented chain of events and Kara's doctor backing him. Kara Goucher has Kara Goucher, and Kara has shown herself to less than reliable.

Documented chain of events? Explain how he put a pill bottle in her hand in MARCH, not August.

For the record, you will have a hard time finding people who believe Alberto is even remotely "reliable." I'm so sick of the smear campaign. You guys let go the big, real evidence, which tells me it is TRUE (testosterone, random vials with syringes, etc). But you go after the Gouchers non stop, and they have said the least damning things. I don't believe half of those emails (Alberto just happened to still have) for 1 second, I'm not an idiot.

You are pathetically transparent.

Unfortunately for you, I will just sit back watch your ship sink in the coming months/years.

This response is perfectly worded. They must have had a real lawyer working today. The only mistake was the "we." Freud-ian Slip?

Guppy wrote:

I'm not trying to argue one way or the other about Rupp, but the content in the OP is a poor argument because:

1) 2006 was a long time ago. Things change. People change.

2) Magness had no direct experience with the NOP when he wrote that stuff.

3) Whether Rupp's thyroid meds are legit or not does not necessarily say anything about all the other allegations that have been made against Salazar.

#1 and #2 are damning because he had no axe to grind at the time.

Guppy wrote:

I'm not trying to argue one way or the other about Rupp, but the content in the OP is a poor argument because:

1) 2006 was a long time ago. Things change. People change.

2) Magness had no direct experience with the NOP when he wrote that stuff.

3) Whether Rupp's thyroid meds are legit or not does not necessarily say anything about all the other allegations that have been made against Salazar.

That's just it... 2006 WAS a long time ago, so what happened that made Magness change his mind? Did his perception of what synthetic thyroid and asthma inhalers can do change, did his opinion of AlSal and Rupp change his opinion of them? Both? Neither? Something else?

I don't think this is a smoking gun to validate the NOP, but I do think that Magness needs to address why he was defending someone (in fact, singing their praises) in 2006 as one of the best, then calling them a puppet in 2015. Madness needs to address this for his storyline to be taken seriously.

Once again, thyroid hormones do not require a TUE.

steno deno wrote:

themanontherun wrote:

I think it's enough that Magness came out claiming that TUEs for thyroid meds were being used a performance advantage that violated the ethic of the sport,

Where did he say that?

So as you haven't provided support for where he said that, am I to assume you are a liar?

I don't see what the alleged revelation is here. Obviously Magness thought that Rupp and Sal were on the up and up back then, because he ended up taking a job with them. Obviously by the end he felt like they weren't, that's part of the reason the report came out.

steno deno wrote:

I don't see what the alleged revelation is here. Obviously Magness thought that Rupp and Sal were on the up and up back then, because he ended up taking a job with them. Obviously by the end he felt like they weren't....

....because Al fired him and was interfering with getting laid by one of his runners. Yup, a change of mind for sure!

fired much? wrote:

steno deno wrote:

I don't see what the alleged revelation is here. Obviously Magness thought that Rupp and Sal were on the up and up back then, because he ended up taking a job with them. Obviously by the end he felt like they weren't....

....because Al fired him and was interfering with getting laid by one of his runners. Yup, a change of mind for sure!

You are seeing what you want to see, which is not reality. Magness' disillusionment came prior to leaving the program. He didn't take the photo of the chart after parting ways.

Did magness have a "Thyroid issue" in high school and if so it would explain EXACTLY why he stayed in Houston rather than go to Colorado/Stanford/Oregon as an *assisted" 4:01 miler.

Absolute hypocrite with "spirit of sport"

He has not said that taking thyroid meds is universally wrong, and as such no one has been able to explain how it is that he is hypocritical.

steno deno wrote:

He has not said that taking thyroid meds is universally wrong, and as such no one has been able to explain how it is that he is hypocritical.

And thyroid medication does not require a TUE and delivers multi-faceted performance improvements while never testing positive and, and, and ......

A NOP Internet Communitee Coordinator trying very hard to generate some doubts on this thread.

4/10 for no personal attacks and doing some actual research yet completely failing to comprehend how anti-doping works.

steno deno wrote:

He has not said that taking thyroid meds is universally wrong, and as such no one has been able to explain how it is that he is hypocritical.

The NOP fanboy theory is: If Magness was okay with it then Al Sal cannot be proven sanctioned by USADA-WADA-USATF. Fanboy desperation has set in.

It wouldn't be unreasonable for Magness to change his opinion, after working with Salazar/Rupp at Nike.

He clearly went there, anticipating working a "dream job", and left disillusioned.