Another prominent Kenyan gets popped?

Nutella1 wrote:

Another one 1 wrote:

The article is poorly written, there is no way you can win to Majors and be "fairly known in Kenya". The doper is a she with 67.3...half

"two major Marathons" vs. "two WMM" - no one knows what they mean.

Not sure if we will ever find out the name either.

It always comes out eventually.

eegan wrote:

How about Flomena Cheyech Daniel?

Commonwealth Games title and win in Paris (presuming that major marathon rather than Major Marathon was intentional). Commonwealth Games title would make her fairly famous in Kenya at least, but she is not one of the super big names (Kiplagat/Kiplagat/Keitany).

Nothing to go on other than that.

I agree.

I hope it's Kimetto.

Guy starts running at like 30 years old and fairly quickly runs under 2:03?

Puuuuhhhhhhhh leeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaase.

He's either far and away the most talented runner ever by a landslide or the most blatant doper ever, the latter being the more likely.

It has to be Kimetto. (not coached by Renato Canova)

Canova said that his athletes are clean.

Kimetto trains with Geoffrey Mutai...Geoffrey was self-coached?

It's not Kimetto or Kipsang. It's a woman, and I'd say "fairly famous" is a generous description of her. No big name is nabbed this time.

It Is Not wrote:

It's not Kimetto or Kipsang. It's a woman, and I'd say "fairly famous" is a generous description of her. No big name is nabbed this time.

And the "major marathon" description?

It Is Not wrote:

It's not Kimetto or Kipsang. It's a woman, and I'd say "fairly famous" is a generous description of her. No big name is nabbed this time.

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Her wins were in European races in 2013, not in what we'd call major races.

I can't say any more. I'd expect an announcement to come out later today or tomorrow at the latest.

Flomena Cheyech Daniel :

http://www.iaaf.org/athletes/kenya/flomena-cheyech-daniel-138189

Doesn't completely sync with the article.

"The source also said the athlete belongs to a stable that is under scrutiny after many of its athletes failed doping tests."

The stable in question is almost certainly the Rosa group. Flomena is with another Italian manager named Gianni Demadonna.

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Flomena Cheyech Daniel :

http://www.iaaf.org/athletes/kenya/flomena-cheyech-daniel-138189

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Gianni is just as dirty as Rosa - http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/athletics-two-fined-prizemoney-for-breach-of-drug-rules-1170164.html

doo doo wrote:

I hope it's Kimetto.

Guy starts running at like 30 years old and fairly quickly runs under 2:03?

Puuuuhhhhhhhh leeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaase.

He's either far and away the most talented runner ever by a landslide or the most blatant doper ever, the latter being the more likely.

I don't know if Dennis Kimetto is clean or not, but your theory is that someone (a doctor, agent, etc.) sought out an otherwise unknown thirty-year-old Kenyan with no money (who had never run), and gave him the most potent performance enhancing drugs in the history of the world?

It could be Shalane Flanagan. Aren't we all African anyway?

They just bought a new state of the art blood testing machine for their base in Kenya

To check that their athletes aren't doping themselves.. Or at least that's their spin on it

Ben L Wrong wrote:

It has to be Kimetto. (not coached by Renato Canova)

Canova said that his athletes are clean.

Kimetto trains with Geoffrey Mutai...Geoffrey was self-coached?

Mutai was self-coached at times, but trained with Canova as an advisor at the very least, so your point isn't valid. Kimetto is not "fairly famous", so that point isn't valid. Canova can say his athletes are clean, and so can Rosa and Claudio, but we've heard many, many coaches say these things in sport. They will lie until they go down, or get offered a better deal. I'm not saying these coaches and agents in Kenya are lying, but you have written three sentences that are not valid above.

Regarding other posters, I agree that it's probably not a winner of 2 WMM's, but two "major" marathons (like Commonwealth and Paris, because both of those race wins bring enough money for the marathoner to have "made it", to buy a house and some cows and maybe a decent car in Kenya. With this status, the marathoner is 'fairly famous'. With two WMM wins, the marathoner is a near-millionaire, and is famous. Poor, vague use of language in the article.

To be more precise, I think by "fairly famous", the writer is indicating that it's not a Wilson Kipsang, G. Mutai, or Mary Keitany. But, it's also not some 2:10 or 2:29 male or female marathoner.

Because of what the article says, one has to look at 2 names: Federico Rosa is an agent. Claudio B is a trainer with several camps in Kenya, who trains many Rosa athletes. They are both somewhat mixed up with three of the highest profile drug scandals in Kenya: Rita Jeptoo, Matthew Kisorio, and Jemima Sungong. (note: 'mixed up with' does not mean they are guilty of anything)

source:

Here is a list of athletes in Rosa's stable, a list that does not include Flomena, but includes perhaps a handful of others who could be the latest to be caught. It also includes Jeptoo. Also, Claudio may have an athlete in his camp who is not with Rosa's agency, just as Rosa has athletes who are not with Claudio. One should probably look for who Claudio has in his stables. Flomena seems like an interesting possibility. Does she train w/ Claudio?

source:

If I had the resources and free time I'd love to experiment with an undetectable p.e.d concoction on some random Kenyan. I'm sure there are at least a couple of agents or doctors out there that have the time and resources to drug up a random African. Im sure it's easy to find people with the mental fortitude and physical stature to be a competitive marathoner in a rural Kenyan farming village. When the incentive is there it'll happen.

Neutral Observertard wrote:

doo doo wrote:

I hope it's Kimetto.

Guy starts running at like 30 years old and fairly quickly runs under 2:03?

Puuuuhhhhhhhh leeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaase.

He's either far and away the most talented runner ever by a landslide or the most blatant doper ever, the latter being the more likely.

I don't know if Dennis Kimetto is clean or not, but your theory is that someone (a doctor, agent, etc.) sought out an otherwise unknown thirty-year-old Kenyan with no money (who had never run), and gave him the most potent performance enhancing drugs in the history of the world?

Maybe why not? wrote:

If I had the resources and free time I'd love to experiment with an undetectable p.e.d concoction on some random Kenyan. I'm sure there are at least a couple of agents or doctors out there that have the time and resources to drug up a random African. Im sure it's easy to find people with the mental fortitude and physical stature to be a competitive marathoner in a rural Kenyan farming village. When the incentive is there it'll happen.

Neutral Observertard wrote:

I don't know if Dennis Kimetto is clean or not, but your theory is that someone (a doctor, agent, etc.) sought out an otherwise unknown thirty-year-old Kenyan with no money (who had never run), and gave him the most potent performance enhancing drugs in the history of the world?

And you would pick a 30 year old with no running history rather than one of hundreds of 20 year olds who had shown massive talent?

Then, when you saw what your drug could do for a talentless 30 year old you would choose not to profit by making your drug to anyone else?

Maybe why not? wrote:

If I had the resources and free time I'd love to experiment with an undetectable p.e.d concoction on some random Kenyan. I'm sure there are at least a couple of agents or doctors out there that have the time and resources to drug up a random African. Im sure it's easy to find people with the mental fortitude and physical stature to be a competitive marathoner in a rural Kenyan farming village. When the incentive is there it'll happen

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It already happened back in the 90s

European agents and Italian doctors gave epo to a bunch of Africans to make money

EPO was an undetectable ped for years in case you didn't hear

It's gotta be someone in the marathon. Big money, means more willingness to take risks. I thought Dennis Kimetto looked kinda doped up, take a look at his face.