Why Runners Can't Eat Everything They Want

Limey UK Runner wrote:

Sorry to hear about that. Unfortunately this is the consequence of the "a calorie is a calorie" nonsensical mentality and the rejection of biology as a legitimate science by the medical mainstream.

In my book anyone working as a health professional who uses the phrases "a calorie is a calorie"; "calories in versus calories out"; or "disease is caused by too many calories" is committing a criminal act. The public at large doesn't really stand a chance as long as those appointed as the voices of authority don't know their arse from their elbow.

LOL x 1000.

What on earth are you rambling on about....yet again?

When medical professionals comment that a "calorie is a calorie", they are discussing the simple fact that when it comes to weight loss (and fat loss for the most part), yes, absolutely the most important part is indeed "calories in and calories out", and where the calories come from, or how the calories are burned, is secondary to the totals. And the reality that people think they can get around this basic fact by going on all sorts of nonsense fad diets, which are supposed to work for all these pseudo-scientific reasons, is counter-productive for them. And yes, absolutely, significant weight and fat loss will confer many health benefits for obese people no matter what they are eating or how they are exercising.

And so you are calling it a "criminal act" for health professionals to cut through all the hype and fad diet BS and state the MOST BASIC FACTS about obesity? And you state that these basic FACTS are a "rejection of biology"? If so, this makes you a clown of epic proportions.

(no medical or health or nutrition professional has ever stated that ONLY "calories in and calories out" matters for OVERALL HEALTH. Never. They've only stated it directly in relation to fat/weight loss. So stop with that particular strawman )

It is so entertaining that anonymous Limey UK Runner, who has demonstrated a complete ignorance of so much concerning health, weight loss, and diet, is taking to task medical professionals for not knowing "their arse from their elbow." Oh the irony! WTF do *you* know about biology? Clearly not much. But you do know a $hit-ton about fad diets and non-"mainstream medical" (lol, try: alternative BS) nutrition info. Congrats on that.

Absurd, ridiculous example. As already stated: (virtually) ZERO health/medical/nutrition professionals said that ONLY total calories in/out matter for health, and they types of foods people eat don't matter in any way, shape, or form. So it is really silly to be taking this imaginary point to task.

(oh, and don't forget Runner C who eats no meat, but instead consumes same 20,000 calories with whole grains, legumes, fruit, veggies, some dairy (high carb, moderate protein, low fat, very low sat fat) Body fat total will be very much the same as runner A, but if runner A was eating very high fat meat as his staple food, runner C will VERY likely have better blood cholesterol profile and lower CVD risk, etc. Was this the topic of the thread? )

Nothing "ridiculous" about it. Overweight/obese people should be aware of the rough amount of calories that are in the foods, and in the portions of those foods, that they typically eat (at or least categories such as: very high, high, moderate, low). People also need to monitor which foods are calorie laden, but nutrient deficient, and which ones combine high calories/low nutrition and low satiety, and very much avoid, or greatly reduce their intake of, the latter category if they are having weight problems and regularly consume such foods. You are the ridiculous one.

Cyclist? wrote:

As for people becoming afraid of eating I think that is a product of the food industry convincing the health profession and the public at large that it does not matter what you eat but instead only how much. This has led to people everywhere adopting the ridiculous behaviour of trying to avoid calories.

So you are saying the FOOD industry wants you to eat LESS food? That sounds like a business plan.

^ This. Food industry does not want people to reduce the total calorie intake. So they tell us "as long as you limit X, you can eat as much Y as you want." All the "fad" diet with cult following was a result of that.

Limey UK Runner wrote:

To the other poster talking about his MD brother, yes fine I was being harsh to the point of facetiousness. Clearly health professionals know some biology. They just tend to not be very good at it.

WTH? You mad, bro? Teeth hurting you?

Wow, you're a real wet blanket. We have a handful of holidays where we can be with friends and family, forget about every day stress and just enjoy ourselves. Indulging on these days is perfectly healthy. Why would you choose to post this ahead of Thanksgiving? Before the 4th of July do you post articles on the dangers of sun exposure? The point being that we have the other 360 days of the year to concern ourselves with healthy habits. Don't crap on the days we can be reasonably expected to let loose. Everything in moderation.

Celebrating Thanksgiving with turkey and gravy is moderation.DQ ice cream after every run is not moderation.Take a breath, read the article and the thread, and understand that he is making a point that is important and something we should all take to "heart."Runners think they can eat and drink to their heart's content, justifying beer as a "recovery drink" (even though most of the calories come from alcohol, not the carbs), and sucking back gallons of Ben & Jerry's.The reality is no serious runner, even those on LetsRun, should treat their body like shyt....

One thought from me wrote:

Wow, you're a real wet blanket. We have a handful of holidays where we can be with friends and family, forget about every day stress and just enjoy ourselves. Indulging on these days is perfectly healthy. Why would you choose to post this ahead of Thanksgiving? Before the 4th of July do you post articles on the dangers of sun exposure? The point being that we have the other 360 days of the year to concern ourselves with healthy habits. Don't crap on the days we can be reasonably expected to let loose. Everything in moderation.

Brief and powerless is man's life; on him and all his race the slow, sure doom falls pitiless and dark.

"Brief and powerless is man's life; on him and all his race the slow, sure doom falls pitiless and dark"

Nihilism stands at the door, whence comes this uncanniest of all guests.

Become what you are!

Bertrand wrote:

Brief and powerless is man's life; on him and all his race the slow, sure doom falls pitiless and dark.

LOL. And someone called ME a wet blanket. Good quote, though.

Cyclist? wrote:

So you are saying the FOOD industry wants you to eat LESS food? That sounds like a business plan.

No. The food industry wants to generate more profit. The effect of the food industry convincing everyone that it does not matter what you eat only how much has been a steady per capita increase in calorie consumption and a move towards foods with better profit margins, such as those based on grains, refined sugars and refined oils.

Did you enjoy your breakfast cereal this morning? Lovely little margin on breakfast cereals.

Thanks for using BOLDED TEXT and CAPITALIZING WORDS MID SENTENCE to make your point. It helps get it across.

But you forgot to UNDERLINE YOUR WORDS. Don't forget to do this in the future.

reader of the forums wrote:

Thanks for using BOLDED TEXT and CAPITALIZING WORDS MID SENTENCE to make your point. It helps get it across.

But you forgot to UNDERLINE YOUR WORDS. Don't forget to do this in the future.

dude, that's HILARIOUS. See I did that all for you.

(but really, it's not funny at all. sorry)

(and sure, I overdo that sometimes. But there is nothing wrong with emphasizing or calling attention the most important part of your point in that manner[especially with the poor reading comprehension of the average letsrunner, who gets confused after reading 2 sentences]. And if you don't like it, YOU ARE JUST GOING TO HAVE GET THE F-CK OVER IT )

Limey UK Runner wrote:

The effect of the food industry convincing everyone that it does not matter what you eat only how much has been a steady per capita increase in calorie consumption and a move towards foods with better profit margins, such as those based on grains, refined sugars and refined oils.

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A) The food industry in no way has been "convincing everyone that it does not matter what you eat only how much ". They do talk about calories, but even more they talk about "what you eat." You are forgetting one of "your" (well, people like you) favorite talking points: "demonization of fat," and the snackwell fat-free cookie, and the notion that one can go hog-wild on carbs as long as the fat is low. And now the pendulum has swung a bit, and they are constantly promoting "low carb" this, and "low/no sugar that", and "high protein" that.

B) The concept that telling people calories in/out matters for weight loss is THE (note capitalization, oh "reader of forums") reason why people eat more than they used to, and are obese, is plain dumb.

Just eat healthy foods like bananas and fish and you can eat as much of it as you can

comdemiumious wrote:

Just eat healthy foods like bananas and fish and you can eat as much of it as you can

Oh now you've done it

ishmael zangief wrote:

comdemiumious wrote:

Just eat healthy foods like bananas and fish and you can eat as much of it as you can

Oh now you've done it

Done what? Eat about 30 bananas a day and everything is dunky hory.

I was jogging along the sidewalk the other day and this dog was taking a dump. Whilst defecating this dog was giving me the mean stink eye. I could not let this go unchallenged. So I stopped and dropped my shorts and took a massive dump directly next to his to prove my alpha status. No sooner had I finished and here come the authorities, now I have all kinds of troubles.

I'm another Limey UK runner. Not technically anonymous - if you google me, you actually find an Australian girl selling nice lycra tights, and a fast horse, then I'm a few pages later on - but close.

Many masters runners and cyclists over here in the London region have been taking part in a big study into the effect of long term strenuous exercise on the heart, at St. George's hospital. Great for the athletes as you get even more tests done for free than you would have if you actually had a heart attack. So at age 48 I am as sure as I can be of a healthy ticker, and have great baseline data if anything happens down the road I am eagerly awaiting publication, but it's a few months off.

I had my last battery of tests a couple of weeks ago and a debrief from the head doc. So far, on balance, we runners are all far healthier than the sedentary control group and he has found no reasons whatsoever to tell any of us to cut back training.

The food industry does not make a lot of money on the meat products. So when they fund studies that tout the benefits of low-carb diet, it must be out of pure support for science. But all the studies that advocate low-fat diet are profit-driven propaganda, because they make a lot of money on processed carbs.