Quartet of runners reached split 27:40 at 10k in the Valentia half marathon...

RunWild wrote:

First - Since when did the Valencia Marathon start to produce fast times?

Second - WHO ARE THESE GUYS?

There has got to be some sort of a combination of a short course and doping involved.

First - Since 2009 there were already 8 times under one hour in Valencia.

Second - Abraham Cheroben. He had already run 59:14 this year for second place in Berlin.

There has got to be some sort of combination of ignorance and laziness and malice involved for you to write such a post.

the sauce wrote:

Author: douglas burke

Message: Rupp can probably go under 59 as well. ...

If Rupp just went for time, he would likely be under 59.

Ummmm, no. Rupp would be lucky to break 60. Sub 59, not a chance in hell.

I agree because Hell would be too hot and a lot of dead people would get in the way. But under perfect conditions in a race like that, he could go sub 59.

There are none of the top marathoners today who can run 26:44 in the 10000m. With specific training, they would be

26:55-27:10 depending on basic speed.

Rupp would be happy with sub 59:30. Tadese was a 26:20 guy at least. He stated in an interview that he though he could have gone sub 26:20 with the right pacing. Rupp would be hard pressed to go much under 26:40. Make those 20 seconds a 50 second difference for HM and Rupp might be able to run a 59:13.

But Tedese didn't never ran 26:20, his personal best was 26:37 - in fact his best 3000 was 7:39, 5000 12:59 and marathon 2:10:41.

Obviously I meant to say "Tedese never ran..." unless I just became a hick.

Some have argued that the HM may the perfect distance for Rupp.

If he altered his training slightly from his 10k preparations he would approach 59 minutes.

Positive Contribution wrote:

Some have argued that the HM may the perfect distance for Rupp.

If he altered his training slightly from his 10k preparations he would approach 59 minutes.

Rupp's best distance thus far is the 1500/mile, isn't it?

it's the 10000m.

It doesn't take long before any Letsrun thread turns into a discussion about Rupp

Hvgkvjygu wrote:

Really???? 4 guys are splitting 27:40 (13:43 second 5k BTW).. I give up...

Winner was a 21 y.o. He was upset that he didn't run sub 58 for the half marathon (whether was not conducive to a fast time)...

This is crazy...

Sub-28 is not uncommon for a sub-59 half, but it is usually one or two guys whose names we know. I guess what's surprising is 4 relatively unknown guys and 27:40 is about as fast as I can recall.

yes, Barrios, just under 60'

I guess people forget how amazed they were with Rupp's almost effortless 26:44 and how he could of easily went 26:30 that day.

Maxsim wrote:

Rupp would be happy with sub 59:30. Tadese was a 26:20 guy at least. He stated in an interview that he though he could have gone sub 26:20 with the right pacing. Rupp would be hard pressed to go much under 26:40. Make those 20 seconds a 50 second difference for HM and Rupp might be able to run a 59:13.

Rupp is one of FIVE (5) athletes to have 2 10k times at 26:48.00 and under:

From the all time list:

1 26:17.53 Kenenisa Bekele

2 26:20.31 Kenenisa Bekele

3 26:22.75 Haile Gebrselassie

5 26:27.85 Paul Tergat

7 26:29.22 Haile Gebrselassie

12 26:36.26 Paul Koech

17 26:39.77 Boniface Kiprop

20 26:41.95 Boniface Kiprop

24 26:44.36 Galen Rupp

27 26:46.44 Paul Tergat

29 26:47.89 Paul Koech

30 26:48.00 Galen Rupp

Of the other people in the top 30, I'll list their fastest, and then their 2nd fastest 10k:

8 26:30.03 Nicholas Kemboi

53 26:51.87 Nicholas Kemboi

9 26:30.74 Abebe Dinkesa Negera

209 27:13.09 Abebe Dinkesa Negera

11 26:35.63 Micah Kogo

88 26:58.42 Micah Kogo

13 26:37.25 Zersenay Tadese

41 26:50.12 Zersenay Tadese

14 26:38.08 Salah Hissou

166 27:09.07 Salah Hissou

15 26:38.76 Abdullah Ahmad Hassan

91 26:59.54 Abdullah Ahmad Hassan

16 26:39.69 Sileshi Sihine

32 26:48.73 Sileshi Sihine

19 26:41.75 Samuel Wanjiru

152 27:08.00 Samuel Wanjiru

23 26:43.98 Lucas Rotich

170 27:09.38 Lucas Rotich

28 26:46.57 Mohamed Farah

226 27:14.07 Mohamed Farah

SO, in HISTORY, only 5 others have ran at least 2 10ks faster than Rupp's fastest 2 10ks. Of the 10 (10 including Mo Farah's 10k that is faster than Rupp's second fastest) others who have ran at least one 10k faster than Rupp, only 5 of them have ran under 27:00 at least one other time.

Only 22 people have ever broken 27:00 more than once. So if you think 26:48 is an arbitrary time to determine greatness, let's use the flat of 27:00. Galen Rupp is one of the top 22 10k runners of all time.

Now, of all the sub 27:00 clockings in the last 5 years (29 in last five years of 95 total sub 27s)(therefore current runners), only Emmanuel Bett, Rupp, Imane Merga, and Paul Tanui have ran sub 27:00 twice...

Bett's Fastest: 26:51.2

Tanui's Fastest: 26:49.4

Merga's Fastest: 26:48.3

Rupp's Slowest sub 27: 26:48.00

Rupp is therefore the best 10k runner of the modern era in terms of time.

milethon wrote:

I guess people forget how amazed they were with Rupp's almost effortless 26:44 and how he could of easily went 26:30 that day.

I remember that race and nothing suggested a 14 second improvement to 26:30.

MTRaceTimer wrote:

SO, in HISTORY, only 5 others have ran at least 2 10ks faster than Rupp's fastest 2 10ks. Of the 10 (10 including Mo Farah's 10k that is faster than Rupp's second fastest) others who have ran at least one 10k faster than Rupp, only 5 of them have ran under 27:00 at least one other time.

Only 22 people have ever broken 27:00 more than once. So if you think 26:48 is an arbitrary time to determine greatness, let's use the flat of 27:00. Galen Rupp is one of the top 22 10k runners of all time.

Now, of all the sub 27:00 clockings in the last 5 years (29 in last five years of 95 total sub 27s)(therefore current runners), only Emmanuel Bett, Rupp, Imane Merga, and Paul Tanui have ran sub 27:00 twice...

Bett's Fastest: 26:51.2

Tanui's Fastest: 26:49.4

Merga's Fastest: 26:48.3

Rupp's Slowest sub 27: 26:48.00

Rupp is therefore the best 10k runner of the modern era in terms of time.

Your logic is arbitrary and makes no sense. Why are you using the 2 fastest times instead of just 1 or 5?

Something more relevant and meaningful would be whether or not they had a perfect rabbit (like Rupp did in his 26:44). How many of those guys had that opportunity? How many of the top 5k and half marathon guys even give the 10k an honest attempt (or even an attempt at all)?

Sure Rupp has one of the fastest times lately, but that's not telling the whole story.

Let me correct a few factual inaccuracies. It drives me nuts when people write crazy stuff on the mboard.Man what type of drugs are you guys on?

No. 'Likely' is far from the right term.

Is it possible? yes. But prior to last weekend, only 14 men in history have gone sub 59. Many of them are guys that would be cleaning up on the track if they ran it. About half of those 14 guys are all-time greats with pedigrees much better than Rupp's.

1 58:23 WR Zersenay Tadese

2 58:33 NR Samuel Wanjiru

3 58:41 Bernard Koech

4 58:46 Mathew Kisorio

5 58:47 NR Atsedu Tsegay

6 58:48 Sammy Kitwara

7 58:52 Patrick Makau

8 58:54 Stephen Kibet

9 58:54 Geoffrey Kamworor

10 58:55 Haile Gebrselassie

11 58:56 Martin Mathathi

12 58:56 Stanley Biwott

13 58:58 Geoffrey Mutai

14 58:59 Wilson Kipsang

Now guys like Mathathi, Kibet etc have done it so it's possible for Rupp but far from likely.

The sheer unexpectedness of Hall's 59:47 (and Solinksy's 26:59) will forever make those marks incredibly special in my mind. But the absolute greatness of a sub 59 half by Rupp - even in planned settings which I'm sure Alberto would employ- would be special.

Moving on, I've added some bold to a post by MTRaceTimer to highlight some more stupidity:

Modern era, Rupp is the greatest? False.

Kenenisa Bekele is the greatest of the 'modern' era. You seem to arbitrarily define the modern era as the last 5 years. Even if that's the case, then I'd Farah is clearly the #1. Then Jeilen certainly is also above Rupp.

But the best in the modern era is Bekele.

You conveniently left his third fastest 10,000 off of your list - 26 minutes, 25.97 seconds - Eugene 2008.

The guy ran 26:25 jet lagged at like 8 am in Eugene with little help from rabbit (final 12 laps all by himself). Rupp had Sambu rabbiting him for 8000 meters at night and ran 26:44. Bekele was nearly a second per lap better.

Rupp is great - for an American. But to compare him to Bekele is flat out wrong.

oood wrote:

milethon wrote:

I guess people forget how amazed they were with Rupp's almost effortless 26:44 and how he could of easily went 26:30 that day.

I remember that race and nothing suggested a 14 second improvement to 26:30.

You have a crappy memory then

Because doing one fast race doesn't mean you are able to be one of the best. He's done two of the best times in recent years. Whether or not he has pacers, he still had to run 26:44 and 26:48.

And as for the top 5k and Marathon guys not trying the 10k, that'd be like saying Usain Bolt is the fastest 800m if he just gave it a honest attempt. That's crap. It's speculation. Whether or not one of those 5k or marathon guys could be faster is out of the question. They just aren't faster. They haven't ran a faster time(s) more consistent than Galen has. They possibly could, but they HAVEN'T. Speculation makes for a piss poor analyzation.