Thanks Renato!! I learn so much from all your posts! It is very much appreciated!
Thanks Renato!! I learn so much from all your posts! It is very much appreciated!
Running long workouts in the mile high altitude of Oaxaca, Mexico, it's invaluable to take in this information. I join in thanking Coach Canova.
There are lessons I can apply, and they dovetail perfectly.
"For that reason, for example, all the athletes in Iten know that the appointment on Tuesday is at 7am on the track, or on Sunday is at 6:00 o'clock for going for long run, starting from the same point."
This is the key right here. A national culture! Could you imagine if we could get all the top runners in Portland or LA or New York (or wherever) to come together to train. College, youth, Olympians all meeting in one spot every week for training.
Instead we have colleges, sponsored training camps, HS teams all fighting for scraps. How good could HS kids be if instead of training solo with your team you are training all together. If we want to change the broken model this is how.
Ryan hall did renato canova'a training and his legs fell off like mr.potato man.
Ryan Hall wrote:
Ryan hall did renato canova'a training and his legs fell off like mr.potato man.
Ryan hall thought hedid renato canova'a training and his legs fell off like mr.potato man.
Fixed that for you.
Renato Canova wrote:
They built their "aerobic house" in many years, and at the moment they don't need anymore a lot of volume at low intensity. This type of training has the only effect to accelerate the consumption of the body structures, not giving any advantage under the metabolic and bioenergetic side.
What runners have to understand is that the development of volume can last 4-5 years (till a maximum of 200-220 km per week for a top class marathoner), but inside this volume the intensity has to grow together. When the construction of the "aerobic house" is finished, the only goal for further improvements is to increase the volume of specific training, and this can happen cancelling a big part of useless volume at low intensity.
Everyone on Letsrun who promotes endless slow running and doesn't get how Lagat can succeed on 100 km per week needs to read this 100 times.
More like...
Monday..Run
Tuesday..Dope
Wednesday..Dope
Thursday..Run
Friday..Run
Saturday..Dope some more
Sunday..Run and dope
Working Stiff wrote:
-_- wrote:Is Wilson Kipsang the same as Wilson Kipsang Kiprotich who got the bronze in the marathon at the 2012 Olympics in London?
Yes, same guy.
What? NO!
Pay attention.
Working Stiff wrote:
-_- wrote:Is Wilson Kipsang the same as Wilson Kipsang Kiprotich who got the bronze in the marathon at the 2012 Olympics in London?
Yes, same guy.
Why post when you don't know at all?
Learn:
http://www.wilson-kipsang.com/news/beautiful-video-of-wilson-commenting-his-own-wr-race-4165Great video.
rupp-certified saladbar wrote:
Working Stiff wrote:Yes, same guy.
Why post when you don't know at all?
Learn:
http://www.wilson-kipsang.com/news/beautiful-video-of-wilson-commenting-his-own-wr-race-4165Great video.
You're not talking to me are you?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilson_Kipsang_KiprotichShould Emmanuel Mutai also read that passage 100 times?
"CD: How many kilometres a week do you usually run when in marathon training?
EM: Between 250-280km (155-173 miles) per week. I usually train with Eliud Kipchoge, Bernard Kipyego and other athletes. We are under the same coach."
rupp-certified saladbar wrote:
Renato Canova wrote:They built their "aerobic house" in many years, and at the moment they don't need anymore a lot of volume at low intensity. This type of training has the only effect to accelerate the consumption of the body structures, not giving any advantage under the metabolic and bioenergetic side.
What runners have to understand is that the development of volume can last 4-5 years (till a maximum of 200-220 km per week for a top class marathoner), but inside this volume the intensity has to grow together. When the construction of the "aerobic house" is finished, the only goal for further improvements is to increase the volume of specific training, and this can happen cancelling a big part of useless volume at low intensity.
Everyone on Letsrun who promotes endless slow running and doesn't get how Lagat can succeed on 100 km per week needs to read this 100 times.
"Bekele said he is currently putting in around 240 kilometres (150 miles) of training per week in preparation, all at altitude."
http://www.supersport.com/athletics/running/news/140117/Bekele_aims_for_greatness_in_marathon_debut"How many kilometres a week do you usually run when in marathon training?
Emmanuel Mutai: Between 250-280km (155-173 miles) per week. I usually train with Eliud Kipchoge, Bernard Kipyego and other athletes. We are under the same coach."
http://www.runblogrun.com/2014/09/2014-bmw-berlin-diary-interview-with-emmanuel-mutai-by-cathal-dennehy.htmlIn interviews, Emmanuel Mutai says he tries to run AT LEAST 30k a day, so on an easy day at least an 18k/12k double.
Anyone have an idea what his pace is and how much he is actually running a day? I've always heard to top off at 2 hours a day.
Nice comedic touch by Renato stating that with "every kind of doping" 8:06 only slows to 8:15, but for some puzzling reason, they now run only 9:06! Such a mystery! How is possible?!?!? Not enough turtle soup??
Thanks again for the laughs
Renato, I want to fight you for supplying and advocating illegal performance enhancing drugs to distance runners. Meet me in Oregon at Hayward Field on Sunday at 5pm sharp, Let's go!
Ryan Hall wrote:
Ryan hall did renato canova'a training and his legs fell off like mr.potato man.
What? I'm not talking about the training. I'm talking about a culture where good runners come together to train. Same spot, same time. I'm talking about a national culture here. Again, imagine how good we could be if America had this culture.
The Animal Within wrote:
Ryan Hall wrote:Ryan hall did renato canova'a training and his legs fell off like mr.potato man.
What? I'm not talking about the training. I'm talking about a culture where good runners come together to train. Same spot, same time. I'm talking about a national culture here. Again, imagine how good we could be if America had this culture.
Yeah that'd be very cool. I'd love if the NOP did this. I wouldn't be able to keep up with Mo and Galen's 545 pace easy days, but I could keep up with Jordan, Shannon, and Mary.
agc5k wrote:
The Animal Within wrote:What? I'm not talking about the training. I'm talking about a culture where good runners come together to train. Same spot, same time. I'm talking about a national culture here. Again, imagine how good we could be if America had this culture.
Yeah that'd be very cool. I'd love if the NOP did this. I wouldn't be able to keep up with Mo and Galen's 545 pace easy days, but I could keep up with Jordan, Shannon, and Mary.
Mo and Galen do their easy runs at 5:30-5:35 pace
Renato Canova I love reading your posts, Im a fan of your work. I have a question.
What would be the difference between the way you currently train your athletes and having them race regularly and do regeneration runs in between? I was just wondering instead of training them at specific paces, to just put them into races weekly with a lot of regeneration runs in between for the athlete that already has aerobic years of running behind them.
Renato, are any of your athletes competing in Berlin? If so (and if they do well), could you share their training schedules with us?
I remember reading something you wrote saying that ~80% of training is "training to train," i.e. becoming able to do the specific marathon training necessary to run a fast marathon. I'm particularly interested in this training—the first several months of training BEFORE the most important marathon specific workouts.