Babies born out of wed-lock

kibitzer wrote:

moore wrote:

Wondering what the stats will be like in 20 years when we look at kids raised in faglock or dykelock homes.

Your provocative (sorry: "funny") language aside, I too think this will be interesting.

But once again, such research will definitely have to correct for socioeconomic status. Married gay couples definitely skew wealthier, on average, than the average hetero married pair.

Such relationships are much more stable than the average heterosexual relationship. Children raised in such an environment will generally be well-adjusted, positive and productive.

moore wrote:

Wondering what the stats will be like in 20 years when we look at kids raised in faglock or dykelock homes.

Ah yes, the resident 15 year-old raises his pimply head.

Yay for you!

Do Biddley wrote:

kibitzer wrote:

Your provocative (sorry: "funny") language aside, I too think this will be interesting.

But once again, such research will definitely have to correct for socioeconomic status. Married gay couples definitely skew wealthier, on average, than the average hetero married pair.

Such relationships are much more stable than the average heterosexual relationship. Children raised in such an environment will generally be well-adjusted, positive and productive.

Have any stats on that? Sources?

Put a ring on it. wrote:

Research by the National Father Initiative;

60% of America's rapists

72% of adolescent murderers

70% of long term prison inmates

Come from fatherless homes.

Children without a father are 50% more likely to join a gang, drop out of school and use drugs.

3-times more likely to have emotional and behavioral issues, and 5 times more likely to have out of wed-lock children. So the problem just repeats.

You just made a better case for abortion than I ever could have.

unmarried mother wrote:

does not mean fatherless child.

http://archive.constantcontact.com/fs008/1101701160827/archive/1108965696926.html

There is no such thing as a fatherless child. How do you think babies are made? USA public schools have been such a failure...

First of all, coming from a fatherless home doesn't mean born out of wedlock. It often means she divorced the father and took his kids.

Next you throw all these big numbers around while ignoring the relatively small numbers of Americans that are rapists, adolescent murderers or long term prison inmates. Without checking statistics I am sure the number of fatherless children far outstrips the few criminals you list.

In other words, you're using misleading language to falsely associate fatherless children with a tiny minority who turn to these crimes. You should be ashamed of yourself. No wonder single-parent children are more likely to have emotional issues, what with self-righteous jerks like you calling them rapists, doubtless in the pursuit of some religio-moral crusade.

Wise people have understood since the days of the caveman that marriage is not a matter of religion or morality, but of territory and wealth. For the man, it establishes that the woman's uterus is off limits to other men, so he can be sure her offspring are his. For the woman, it establishes that material wealth will be available to ensure the survival of her offspring. In modern industrial society these purposes are compromised - men have paternity testing to avoid being cuckolded, and women have laws allowing them to take the father's money whether they're married or not. That is why marriage is less popular, and no amount of whining about traditions or insulting fatherless children will change that.

It is true that children do better raised by a mother and father, but few fail utterly as you suggest, so to imply that there's some kind of cycle of repetition is deceitful. If you value your cause, you should clean up your tactics.

I am sure you would see kids raised by same sex couples would be much less violent.

moore wrote:

Wondering what the stats will be like in 20 years when we look at kids raised in faglock or dykelock homes.

The guys who wrote Freakonomics did a study a while back and found that the #1 correlation with low IQ was coming from a single parent household, i.e., fatherless.

They also compared other variables, such as race, ethnic group, and economic status. Even when correcting for these factors, the correlation between low IQ and fatherless children was strong.

...not drawing any conclusions from this... just sharing the information. I'm sure you can find more with a search if you are interested.

I think this means that women don't make great parents.

fisky wrote:

The guys who wrote Freakonomics did a study a while back and found that the #1 correlation with low IQ was coming from a single parent household, i.e., fatherless.

They also compared other variables, such as race, ethnic group, and economic status. Even when correcting for these factors, the correlation between low IQ and fatherless children was strong.

...not drawing any conclusions from this... just sharing the information. I'm sure you can find more with a search if you are interested.

No one is fatherless.

many people are fatherless.

Anyone with a dead dad is fatherless.

The stats are the stats. No point in trying to justify your particular situation here on letsrun. Of course there are going to be situations where a kid is better off without his biological father. That's why noone said that 100% of the kids who come from fatherless homes become criminals. But as a whole, kids who grow up in homes without fathers present are more likely to struggle.

An education, and a grandma don't replace a father. It's a tragedy especially if something happenned to the dad and and the mother is doing the best she can, but it's not the same. Nothing can replace a good father.

[quote]A statistic isn't an opinion wrote:

An education, and a grandma don't replace a father. quote]

Best quote on this entire thread.

Sorry to misquote.

I think the study I referred to cited "single parent" rather than single moms or single dads, but the overwhelming majority of single parent households are single mom households.

I second wrote:

[quote]A statistic isn't an opinion wrote:

An education, and a grandma don't replace a father. quote]

Best quote on this entire thread.

Except of course that it is stupid.

If children raised by a mom and a grandmother do as well as children raised by mom and dad then what exactly is your point?

Because they statistically don't do as well. I don't care about the guy you know who's a doctor and didn't have a dad. I know a 96 yr old that's smoked since he was 13, doesn't make it a good idea. Overwhelmingly kids without a father are more prone to becoming a burden on society.

A positive male role model is important for both boys and girls. It's sets the bar high for a young lady learning how she should be treated by her spouse. It teaches the young man to become a man.

Don't take offense to statistics. Be proud that you turned out fine despite having a single parent, or that you have great kids that you're raising.

this just proves how awful mothers are at actually RAISING a responsible child. Facts don't lie.

fjstj wrote:

A very reasonable question, but I think we need to understand that, if drugs were decriminalized (which I favor), most of these guys would still be doing illegal stuff.

For the majority in the trade, drug laws and their enforcement are *not* the only things that are keeping these guys from having straight jobs. Make the trade completely legit (aka boring, regulated, grownup, rewarding those with a good work attitude and work ethic), and most of them would just move into other illegal activities.

So are you of the opinion that we would have seen this trend without the drug war?

Ms! wrote:

this just proves how awful mothers are at actually RAISING a responsible child. Facts don't lie.

It just proves that kids need responsible role models to emulate. Hard to tell a boy how to be a man, he needs to be shown.