Jay Z calls Eminem the most overrated rapper of all time

Obviously Beyonce is gorgeous

no

Lyrical class and excellent wordplay. Are you talking about Paul Simon or bob dylan

lol @ kanye rapping circles around eminem

this is a satire website

Coach wrote:

Lyrical class and excellent wordplay. Are you talking about Paul Simon or bob dylan

No I'm talking about Jay Z!

He is a pioneer in his music sector (rap), just like the two you've mentioned they are in their sectors, just because he delivers his words differently doesn't mean the lyrics are poor.

Listen to Jay Z- takeover

that a definition of wordplay.

Rap in itself sux booty. Jay-Z, M&M, Sir Mix a lot at least was funny in his hit.

Every time I ask someone what the rapper is saying during a song, 99% of them say, they have no idea what he is saying, just a bunch of mumbling.

Rap is nothing but the beat, which is over and over again anyways, my keyboard can come up with that crap.

When the song involved the same 3 beats over and over again with every song and some guy mumbling where you don't understand a word of it, it blows.

Also when the best part of the song is during the chorus when some girls sings something, then it tells you, stop freaking mumbling and just sing d darn song like every other genre.

Rap has been commercialized from when it was more underground in the late 80s and 90s.

And because you don't understand what someone is saying doesn't mean the lyrics are sub par, I can't understand most opera due to me not being able to speak Italian, but that doesn't mean the lyrics are basic.

"Rap is nothing but a basic beat". Ok you produce me a beat that sound like a pete rock or dj premier beat and see how easy it is or even a RZA beat (Wu Tang), who makes also of instrumentals for films so I would not say his beat is basic. Apart from classical and jazz most music has a generic beat they follow.

Hardcore rap fans will never say the best part is the chorus because all the 90s classic didn't have a female vocalist on the chorus (apart from B.I.G) it's like me saying the best part of the beetles songs were the chorus because everyone can sing along because it's repetative.

Here are quality rap lyrics with personification of a gun, by nas.

"Always I’m in some s**t, my abdomen is the clip

The barrel’s my d**k, uncircumcised

Pull my skin back and c**k me, I bust off when they unlock me

Results of what happens to n****s that shock me"

No one ever said operatic lyrics were good. Most are crap. the voices and music are why people listen to it. Rap is a primitive art form and most of it is insulting. jZ writes like an 8th grader. If I do say so myself.

I miss PAC :(

I didn't say Beyonce's voice was crap. But be honest - if she had average looks, would she have even gotten a record contract? To get that, you need to have an absolutely superior voice like Adele and Beyonce's voice just ain't at that level.As far as top rappers, pretty subjective. Not sure how you can say so forcefully that someone is top 5 but not top 3 as the difference b/w 3 and 5 is nothing.

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YOU CRAZY!!!????

Beyonce has an outstanding voice and her looks don't do any harm as well, listen to both 'Halo' and the song 'listen' then get back at me, come on her voice is amazing, now if you said rihanna had voice is overrated them I would agree.

Jay Z is a talented rappers as well, if other rappers say you are talented that normally means you are because they are your biggest critics in that industry. Listen to his album 'reasonable doubt' then get back at me, that is lyrical class and excellent wordplay.

Best 3 rappers alive are (no particular order):

1. Nas

2. Jay Z

3. Rakim

Eminem is top 5 alive but NOT top 3 period!

Ok I just listened to some of the songs of Reasonable Doubt and I'm getting back at you. I don't get it. These are good lyrics? Bitch in every line? Nigga this nigga that. Give me Pete, Woody, bob or Leonard any day.

we went through the rankings of rappers here a few years ago. that led me to waste some good time listening to various claims to the top rappers, and in my view the rankings were pretty far off. some of the alleged greats had nothing. I listened to some samples from the "best songs" of Nas, eh, Jay Z--terrible and the hand motions a rank amateur, for a musician he's a great businessman, and Eminem, the nasal intonation gets you after a short time but that movie 8 Mile was entertaining and I enjoyed his performance in the rap battle scenes. The upshot, nothing much from the usual suspects. I checked out a few others, tupac, LL, nothing much good.

My name is Humpty

Pronounced with an um-pty

And yo ladies, oh how I like to **** thee

Nas is one of those rappers that if you aren't a big fan of rap your not gonna like him, but if you a rap fan he's is a legend. He don't have upbeat instrumentals and his songs you can't really dance to, it's just pure rap at it's rawest! ILLMATIC greatest rap album ever!

And Jay Z... If you listen to jigga now yeah I couldn't agree more his rapping is basic he just makes commercial music drunk in love = RUBBISH! But if you listen to him in the 90s when he was talking about hood life and rapping more to express himself instead of making chart topping rubbish then you'll see him at his ultimate best a true craftsman.

People underestimate rappers saying there dumb but the elite rappers are actually extremely intelligent, but the ones who rap rubbish and talk garbage they are as thick as 100 planks of wood!

The thing about rap is there's a big difference from the rubbish to the elite if you listen to the right people you might have more respect of rap and see it more as an art form.

Since "rapping" is "reading out loud", there really isn't a wide spectrum of skill level to it. If you can't sing, if you can't play music, if you can't play the drums, then you are not a musician. Period. You are not making music. You are just reading over a computerized collection of beats that anyone could have put together.

If, however, you are a musician who chooses to rap occasionally or often, then you have my respect. That's like Picasso -- he first became a master at painting normal portraits and landscapes before experimenting with stripped-down, stylized forms.

However, most of the "rappers" these days are just talentless fools with a computer, drum machine and samples of other peoples' music, looking to make a quick buck.

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we went through the rankings of rappers here a few years ago. that led me to waste some good time listening to various claims to the top rappers, and in my view the rankings were pretty far off. some of the alleged greats had nothing. I listened to some samples from the "best songs" of Nas, eh, Jay Z--terrible and the hand motions a rank amateur, for a musician he's a great businessman, and Eminem, the nasal intonation gets you after a short time but that movie 8 Mile was entertaining and I enjoyed his performance in the rap battle scenes. The upshot, nothing much from the usual suspects. I checked out a few others, tupac, LL, nothing much good.

Some guys are more regarded for their contributions to the genre than necessarily making great music (e.g. Beastie Boys). It's like watching an old movie: it doesn't necessarily stand up unless you appreciate the time in which it was made.

Out of the "Classics" you'd probably prefer The Roots -

Plus Wu Tang Clan and specifically GZA, who made one of the best rap albums of all time in Liquid Swords -

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Really? They are all over-rated because they are all terrible poets and do not even sound remotely like musicians.

Rapping isn't reading out loud there is an art to it, to write your own lyrics and perform them in a artistic manner is skillful.

I agree it's not hard to rap BUT it's extremely difficult to become a master at it, in my opinion it's harder then being a good singer because most musician don't even write there own lyrics now days (not like the old days) so if you have a good writer then it's easy to become successful, just like rihanna, taylor swift and diana ross all have/had quality writer behind them.

It's like comparing a trumpet to a saxophone, a trumpet takes a lot longer to understand how to play compared to a sax but once you've learned the basic concepts is easier to master, whereas a sax isn't as hard to pick up and play and learn the basic skill, but to become a master saxophonist is seen as harder to be then a trumpeter (I can play a little of both as well, only a little).

Just in my opinion the same way rap is easy to be average but being a master isn't one bit easy. (in my opinion)

Isn't Mr Z sooooooooooo humble?

What a load of arrogant, hypocritical twaddle, Eminem isn't the most talented rapper ever, but neither is Jay Z. They've both made a hell of a lot of money from using samples from other people's genius songwriting as hooks to make their bland rapping appear better than what it really is and to dupe the masses.

Every genre of music has very talented songwriters/musicians who are criminally ignored, but, here's the thing, whilst Jay Z is so obviously enough of a sellout to be able to succeed in the mainstream, the "real" talent are too busy preoccupying themselves with making art (without pretence), and trying to say something that might be a little more meaningful.

There's nothing wrong with Eminem or Jay Z, they are what they are and they have their moments, but for Jay Z to self proclaim to be any better or belong to a different type of artist to Eminem is hilarious.

Time to retire.