NCAA Athlete Sues Coach, School

Leave it to the damn French to be visiting an entire girls room. They're lovers not fighters. Too bad the bleeding Liberals in the USA academic circles are so full of gays that don't like it when good Canadian boys come up take your money, your women and your school records.

What? Huh? I thought the gay liberals move up to Canada.

I will tell you what kids need these days....some of them need a good old fashion ass beaten. Disrepect anyone while I am around, I will put my foot so far up your ass, you will be suing the Justin Boot company. Then, after your family backs your ignorant decision to sue in the first place, I will come to your house and beat your dads ass for not raising you right! Learn how to be accountable for the stupid choices you make you idiot. Nobody owes you anything you haven't earned!!!!!!!!

We need more coaches in track and field like Bobby Knight!!

GO FUCK YOURSELF, YOU DRUNKEN, INBREEDING HICK!!! YOU NEED AN ASS-BEATING, YOU JERRY SPRINGER TRASH. GOOD FUCKING LORD, MR. DELIVERANCE, YOU ARE THE BIGGEST LOSER IN THE WHOLE STATE OF KENTUCKY!!!

Seriously though, I do see a shift in attitude in the younger athletes in the NCAA, and unfortunately it leans toward a sense of entitlement. I don't care if you are from the US or not, competing for any university team is a priveledge and not a right. I think the re-instatement commitee got this one wrong, a coach should not be forced to renew an athletes scholarship. The NCAA is a market place like any other, if what you are selling(talent) is not wanted in one place, go find another place that wants you-God knows there are over 1000 colleges in the US to choose from. I know not all offer money, but once again, a scholarship is not a right. Just my opinion as a former athlete and now coach.

Two words - DUE PROCESS

Well done, Compliance. Also...it is about time there are some consequences for the lack of respect for authority. Good job coach.

The bottom line is that a coach should have the right to choose who he or she coaches. Having an athletic scholarship or even being a part of a collegiate team is not a right, it is a privelage. A coach is responsible both for the overall success of the program, as well as the character and conduct of the program (how many coaches have been fired because they recruited and retained athletes that broke laws and made their college and program look bad?).

If an athlete doesn't fit with the coaches philosophy, rules, character, style or anything else, then the athlete needs to go. The coach must have the ability to shape the team for success in every aspect of the program. If a coach has a history of arbitrarily getting rid of athletes for no apparent reason, the institution will deal with that. They will deal with that because obviously such consistant negative action will both ruin recruiting/PR and reduce overall success.

If college coaches are legally forced to accept or retain every athlete regardless of character, conduct or anything else, there would be no reason for anyone to coach. You can't be asked to be responsible for the character, conduct and performance of your team, then have one of the means to form and control those aspects taken away.

Just based on the description by the "victim", it is obvious that the "victim" was completely out of line. If a coach tells you to get out of a room, you don't resist and you don't question his or her authority, especially not in front of other teammates. Notice that the athlete resisted and questioned in the presence of the team, and the coach dealt with the situation in the hall. This athlete believes that his version of his own conduct was correct, which shows his character. I think it is reasonable to assume, given the attitude shown here, that this was not the first situation in which the Coach had an issue with this athlete and that the athlete probably conducted himself much worse that he was willing to describe. A coach isn't going to get rid of a viable part of their program without reason. It isn't in their own best interest.

I think it also shows the character of the athlete that he is actually suing. If you are worthy of a scholarship, go out and find another program that will reward you for your talent. Nobody wins in this situation, and it is possible that it sets a presidence that damages collegiate athletics and chases away more good coaches.

I know whose votes I will be receiving from this post....remember, I stand for affirmative action, equal right for the under priviledged, free health care, raising taxes........all so you can have for free what other actually have to work for. This is your right, we owe you, you are entitled, simply because you are an American and even those whou are not Americans and don't pay taxes. I will make life as easy for you as possible. Remember, I put the BULL back in BULLSHIT!!!

I'm a K-State alum and a lawyer in the KC area so naturally I would love nothing more than to laugh at the misfortunes of our in-state rival (especially after last Saturday).

But this lawsuit is bullshit on about five different levels, and I'll tell the plaintiffs attorney that to his face the next time I see him.

We need more coaches like Redwine. Kids need to realize that they are lucky to be given all the benefits that goes with competing in a D1 program, whether they are on scholarship or not. Trips, travel, shoes, and mainly the chance to compete in a great sport.

Kids today definitely have a sense of entitlement that I didn't see when I competeted. I may have not liked some of the things my coach did or said but I sure as hell never stood in front of other team members and argued with. That's so completely out of line its not even worth trying to rationalize. The only thing Redwine could have done in that situation and still hold on to control of his team was to kick that spoiled brat off on the spot.

Hell has now frozen over because I am defending KU.

I'm betting everybody reading this has had a guy like this on a team at some point. I'll bet the farm the incident mentioned wasn't the first manifestation of this guys attitude.

This is totally "up the creek".

As one of a famous group in the seventies called "overage foreigners" I have always appreciated the Education I got at college in the USA.

Nowdays, I am always trying to get athletes into US colleges.

I think there is a bit more to this situation than is being posted on here.

(1) A scholarship is not a contract, according to several federal cases. The fact that it looks exactly like a contract apparently doesn't matter.

(2) NCAA v. Tarkanian decided that the NCAA was not a state actor, so it doesn't need to give due process. (Personally, I think the Supreme Court missed that one, but it doesn't matter what I think.) While the University of Kansas IS a state actor, it's possible they could argue that they were simply acting within the guidelines of a standard NCAA scholarship guidelines, perhaps removing themselves from the requirement of due process. I think that's a reach, though.

(3) Due process probably isn't an issue anyway, because the athlete doesn't have the right to compete for the University of Kansas. Not only that, he's also not a US citizen, so the US Constitutional guarantee of due process might not apply to him, even if it did apply in this situation (which it doesn't).

For what it's worth, the athletic department at KU is a private corporation (KU Athletic Corporation, to be specific), not a state entity. Scholarships are paid by private donations, not through state funds, an fact nearly universally ignored or not known by those arguing against foreign athletes.

There's quite a bit of speculation going on here about the respective qualities of both Stephane Richard and Coach Redwine. Unless anyone here is named Stanley Redwine or Stephane Richard, however, that's all it is -- speculation. Here's what we do know:

1) A school can pull an athlete's scholarship at the end of a year for any reason, period. Most schools have an appeals process, and obviously this applied in this case, as the appeals board awarded Richard his scholarship. Even if courts were to decide that Scholarship papers = contracts, the fact that they are renewable on a yearly basis means that there was no breach here.

2) Team rules exist for a reason. As a previous poster said, you don't jack around after an abysmal day at the track when you're still travelling on the athletic department's dime.

3) KU 31, KSU 28

KevinM wrote:

3) KU 31, KSU 28

You just had to point that out, didn't you?