Mark my words: Ed Cheserek will go without an NCAA outdoor title this year

Is this to include outdoor xc this summer....natethegreat?

Well. the big question is, what do you call a success? Is it the total points you give your team or is it winning titles? Lawi could have run the 3000M indoors if he wanted to. Realistically he could have finished 2nd in that race. If he had done that he would have scored more points than Cheserek who won two titles. I think Lawi dropped out of the 3000M just because Arizona was way out of team competition and wasn't going to run a race and maybe risk injury just to prove a point. Finishing 2nd in 3 events would have been amazing and even a better accomplishment than Cheserek winning 2 races. Again, if you go by the metric of winning points. so its all about what Lawi's goals are. The risks of running the 10000M are clear. He would have to give maximum effort against Cheserek and maybe still not win. Then he would be shot in competing in the 1500M heats which would in turn kill his chances in the 5000M. Still, why is he choosing 1500M over 10000M? OR, why not just enter the 10000M and make it an easy jog. I'm not clear of the competition but I imagine he could run easy and still finish 3rd and pick up some easy points.

Oklahoma Okie wrote:

Hey Mr. PUC, you are right, and it makes my point even stronger. Lalang failed at the Indoor 1,500, 3K, 5K attempt. He was foolish enough to try that triple, but it merely pointed out that Cheserek is smart to stick to two events and to not go all out for the wins in either. He will get more points, and less risk by going for points and not wins at the NC's.

Marken My Words wrote:

And I lose all respect for someone who posts here with babbling ignorance. Kithuka has already beaten Cheserek at the 10K and he was beaten at both 10K and 5K in his Regionals, so why would anyone say that he could easily win both races at Nationals? The kid already has several individual national championships, maybe he'd like to get several team national championships as well. I guess you have lost all respect then for lots of injured athletes over the years who have lain their guts on the line for their "team". A concept you evidently don't understand.

First thing, I did not say Cheserek could win both races easily. He's very capable of it, but it won't be easy. Never said it would be.

Second, I don't understand why anyone would toe the line with the thought process of "I'm running to score my team 6 points", which is what it sounds like you are trying to tell me.

Lastly, I would have a hard time dealing with one of my teammates if they ran a race just to score points instead of actually competing.

Don't get it twisted though, I'm all for the team aspect, but don't you think Cheserek going for the win in both of those races would help Oregon more than if he just, you know, cruised into the 10k and 5k, not giving Kithuka or Lalang a run for their money and scoring 6 or so points apiece.

Babbling ignorance my ass

I guess you watched a different NCAA XC race than I did and then repeated that viewing at the Indoor meet. Then you might have missed that Ches let KK go hard and get a big lead while running a more measured race and then decide to see about closing the gap at the end. Ches is a racer, not a time-trial guy and will win if they are in the same vicinity.

Yes, Lawi won (barely) the short race but Ches won the war there because he proved how fast he is short so that know one will be able to run away from him.

Doubling complicates things over those not doubling, but Lawi has to do two 1500s and then come back for the 5000 and those very fast finishes are likely to take some of the snap out of Lawi's legs. I do not think that Mo Ahmed can stay ahead of Ches at the finish, he does not have that kind of gear and is also doubling.

"Second, I don't understand why anyone would toe the line with the thought process of "I'm running to score my team 6 points", which is what it sounds like you are trying to tell me. Lastly, I would have a hard time dealing with one of my teammates if they ran a race just to score points instead of actually competing"

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Do you have any clue about the effort that it will take to finish 3rd in the NCAA 5K or 10K race this year? Do you understand distance running well enough to understand the predictability of dead legs on the second race for someone trying to run an all-out 10K, then come back a couple days later to run an all out 5K? A coach who would have your expectations for a college kid, should be fired. It is exactly this kind of thinking that has given collegiate running in America a bad name. I think the Oregon coaches are far to smart to think the way you do, and they are going to ask their distance guys to pick up enough points to contribute to a team championship--without risking injury and burnout. It would take an exceptional distance runner, with experience and maturity and great fitness and coaching to win both the 5K and the 10K at this year's NC's.

Maybe they will get serious and go for sub 27 10k and sub 13 5k. That would be a hard double for Ches to do. The only way to beat the kid is put him in a situation he has never been in. And even doing that, he is good enough to still win.

So I would be a bad coach for telling one of the BIGGEST names in Division I track right now to go for the W?

You know what that does sound what's wrong with american distance running. Telling our athletes to run for points instead of racing to win. I'll give that one to you.

By the way did you read your last sentence? Even though Ches is a freshman, he really fits the description, I mean he really does.

Shoebacca wrote:

Fro Marah wrote:

Running for points instead of a win sounds like the most idiotic concept. These athletes trained their asses off during the season for a chance to bring home an individual title not to simply score points for their team.

A 10k/5k double is very capable from a guy like Cheserek.

I would lose all respect I had, not only for Cheserek but any athlete who competes for points instead of a win when they have the capability of winning races.

What if, and I'm just throwing this out there, he actually trained to excel at both the 10k and 5k so he could get points in both for his team? /mindblown

Look, I actually agree with Fro Marah in spite of the fact that I hate him.

I think I get what you are saying too. If Cheserek doesn't go out there and run like he has a pair of balls between his legs, I will be sincerely disappointed. We live in a country where children are given awards for just trying their hardest and then we're even talking about a guy not running his best just so that he has a slight chance at a couple more points? Are you kidding me?

When you toe that line, you are making an agreement. You are making the agreement that come hell or high water you will make the best effort that you can, no matter what that means. If you're a guy who can win that race, you go out there and you win that race. If you're someone who's been working towards a PR, you go out and you set that PR.

Only if he tries to win that first race, and then go all in and try to put in his best effort in the second race can he claim that "I'm the man, I'm the man, I'm the man, yes I am, yes I am, yes I am." And believe me, I want him to claim that. I am sick and tired of Colin Kaepernick being the man, the man, the man.

I hope you are right. I hope Cheserek can win the 10K, without getting totally toasted. I hope he has something left to come back and be respectable in the 5K. The problem is that there is a fine line between going all out, and going out suicidal. Honestly, I hope that Cheserek has the talent and the smarts to know where the line is. In the past, too many Div 1 coaches have insisted that their "stars" go out on suicide missions. These kids end up so toasted that they forfeit a career beyond college. That's why so many people rag on collegiate running in the US.

You know, I am not a fan of CK7's prison style bible themed tattoo mania over half his body.

However, if you look at the sweetheart contract he just signed with the 49ers, almost zero QB's in the NFL would take that little guaranteed money, and be able to be cut so early in the contract, with zero cap hit, etc.

He signed a deal that assures his team can resign about 4-5 other important players. OF course that his chances of being on a winning team.

So, if you are reading other indicators of him being all "me, me, me, me, me." Yeah, no, you are not looking at the right stuff and taking all info into account.

CK7 is all about the TEAM (Quan) MFer! (with aplogies to "Rod Treadwell."

I think it is such a joke how American homegrowns root for these Pez Candy Kenyans (they just pop out). That's the reason this sport popularity has diminished in America. Why can't we root for the kid who worked his tail off to make it there? Ches & Lawi have something in common...they are KENYAN! Ches is a lying age cheat who can't even sing the national anthem and name ten capitals! These message boards are on a witch hunt to put down Rupp, but gloryify the so called "King"? How is he a king when he hasn't even earned a national title, let alone beaten anyone worthy. I am with you on the fact that he won't win a title nor should he deserve it. Do you see Americans traveling to other countries and rooting for foreigners? Do you see foreigners rooting for Americans?

Real track and field fans do root for kids from the USA who work their tails off and make it here. The Oregon Duck fans root like crazy for Mac Fleet, Parker Stinson, Phyllis Francis, Laura Roesler, Greg Skipper, Jennifer Prandini, Brittney Mann, Mike Berry and the rest. I feel sorry for you (typical LR hater) who doesn't get it and must invent something to hate to get your day started.

NatetheGreat wrote:

I think if Cheserek is in the thick of things in the 10k (Like in position to get 6 points) He will just go for the win. I can't imagine Ches being in 3rd place and just not using his kick.

Spot on!

He just f:ck$€g won

Lol. Jokes on you, bruh

Baby boy returns wrote:

He just f:ck$€g won

by having a nice 6M tempo run with a few friends, then shaking out his legs for a 24 high 200m. The scary part to me isn't so much what he did as how easy he made it look to dust the best the NCAA has to offer at 10000m.

Mike Honcho wrote:

I think it is such a joke how American homegrowns root for these Pez Candy Kenyans (they just pop out). That's the reason this sport popularity has diminished in America. Why can't we root for the kid who worked his tail off to make it there? Ches & Lawi have something in common...they are KENYAN! Ches is a lying age cheat who can't even sing the national anthem and name ten capitals! These message boards are on a witch hunt to put down Rupp, but gloryify the so called "King"? How is he a king when he hasn't even earned a national title, let alone beaten anyone worthy. I am with you on the fact that he won't win a title nor should he deserve it. Do you see Americans traveling to other countries and rooting for foreigners? Do you see foreigners rooting for Americans?

What is wrong with rooting for Kenyans? They're people too. You make them out to be the bad guys here. Like they don't deserve anything they've also worked hard to get.

Marken My Words wrote:

Real track and field fans do root for kids from the USA who work their tails off and make it here. The Oregon Duck fans root like crazy for Mac Fleet, Parker Stinson, Phyllis Francis, Laura Roesler, Greg Skipper, Jennifer Prandini, Brittney Mann, Mike Berry and the rest. I feel sorry for you (typical LR hater) who doesn't get it and must invent something to hate to get your day started.

I also root for Edward Cheserek. You left him off the list

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