Mo's gotta be clean

reader of the forums wrote:

where did he say magness spoke about mary cain?

In his second post in the thread?

HardLoper wrote:

reader of the forums wrote:

where did he say magness spoke about mary cain?

In his second post in the thread?

nope

reader of the forums wrote:

HardLoper wrote:

If he doesn't want to "out" them he wouldn't be telling random high school recruits who would tell their high school friends. He also wouldn't say something like "Cain will probably be [on drugs] soon" either. He left long before she joined and if he really had this truth he would have no need to be needlessly (and immaturely) speculating about Mary Cain.

where did he say magness spoke about mary cain?

I was speculating on Mary Cain. All Magness said about Cain (and Moser and Hasay) is that he doesn't know if they dope. He doesn't think Cain does cuz she's in HS. He suspects that Moser and Hasay are because they are top NOP athletes on the girls side but is skeptical because they aren't competitive internationally like Ritz, Rupp, Centro, or Farah.

I would say the 'big three' on the guy's side (Rupp, Farah, Centro) are definitely on the hot sauce. The women, I dunno.

Rupp: What appears to be a steady improvement is not so. After essentially stalling at 4:00, the guy suddenly has the wheels for 3:50. He breaks records left and right, develops a kick that he never had, while completing ridiculous post-race workouts. his drop-outs and low-profile meets for record attempts and his being the most tested athlete all point toward collusion among testing body and USATF. He HAS to be protected, he's the posterboy of Nike. money, money, money

Farah: always very good, but never dominant. like rupp but to a greater degree, suddenly 'discovers' last lap speed that nobody in world can match. improvement curve at his age doesn't match with those who were blowing his doors off just years prior... the 3:28 was a little too blatant! convinced that somebody got wind of his microdosing, and he was forced to step off the track temporarily in favor of marathon.

Centro: aside from messageboard rumors, there are other indicators. doesn't make much noise until championship races. drops out of big races, looks dinged up, looks out of shape, then shows up to glide thru the rounds at worlds. occasional epidermal issues, not well liked among other elites, very confident young man + talent + will to win at all costs = exactly what Sal wants

the above three are the best our country has to offer for their respective distances, so if anybody will receive the hot sauce and the protection, it's them. I'd say the lightness, epo/cera microdosing, hgh, IGF-1 LR3 major players. also, watch interviews where these three are asked about drug use--body language very telling!!

serious bro wrote:

watch interviews where these three are asked about drug use--body language very telling!!

mo is obvious when he's on camera

he's always going on about work and graft

like kratochvilova used to tie a tyre to her back for a harder workout than everybody else

That's funny, I always thought it was 'No way, Jose' ...

NotAustin18, you sound so stupid right now. I did a training camp with Salazar and the guys (pre-Mo), with Magness, and there was no doping going on. Everything you are saying has come from these message boards.

Gotta love your logic, "because they aren't competitive internationally." WTF are you talking about? Puskedra is a 61-min half marathoner, Hasay is a WC athlete and Moser is top 5 in the world.

While Nike/Salazar surely operate at the limits of the allowed, they are unlikely crossing the line. Not because of any moral objections, but because Nike would calculate the cost of being seen as directly funding the doping program. You can argue they did it already with Armstrong and other Nike dopers, yet being in Portland and running is much closer to their brand.

Also let's remember where Mo came from - he was good enough to get into major finals before Salazar, yet not to get to the podium. He was very inconsistent in his training and work ethic back then. With Salazar he changed that and significantly upped the training. They way he won World and Olympic medals is with great kick in otherwise tactical races. He didn't become world record holder, just an extremely well prepared racer that didn't fold under extreme pressure. I was in UK for 2012 Olympics and the Mo hype was unbelievable.

These days best Kenyan's and Ethiopians are running marathons not 10Ks, because that's where the money is. Mo can improve yet it will be hard to repeat 10K/5K success.

Ok, so because you were at a training camp with them and they didn't dope in front of you, they must be clean. Case closed.

Mo is a 1500m runner. It's his best event

bquake wrote:

While Nike/Salazar surely operate at the limits of the allowed, they are unlikely crossing the line. Not because of any moral objections, but because Nike would calculate the cost of being seen as directly funding the doping program. You can argue they did it already with Armstrong and other Nike dopers, yet being in Portland and running is much closer to their

I'm not sure I follow your logic here. Nike wouldn't want to be seen as funding a doping operation? You say that Portland is much closer? Nike had a building named after Armstrong. Apart from basketball sneaks, he was pretty much the face of their brand. The Nike runners? No one knows who they are apart from us running nerds. Jeez, if this is what you tell yourself to convince yourself that your heroes are clean, then more power to you but you're not being honest with yourself. That no one cares about running makes it that much easier to not give a shit about running a doping program.

#ocl wrote:

NotAustin18, you sound so stupid right now. I did a training camp with Salazar and the guys (pre-Mo), with Magness, and there was no doping going on. Everything you are saying has come from these message boards.

Gotta love your logic, "because they aren't competitive internationally." WTF are you talking about? Puskedra is a 61-min half marathoner, Hasay is a WC athlete and Moser is top 5 in the world.

If you're doing a training camp of course they won't dope or at least not dope while people are around. These guys have common sense to beat the drug tests. It's not very logical to inject a needle into your arm while a bunch of HS kids are around right before a run. Use common sense.

To be competitive internationally you have to be in contention for medals. Puskedra 61 min half is worthless. You need low/sub 59 to be competitive internationally.

Hasay has a 3146 10k and 1537 5k PRs. How is that competitive? Sure she's better than most Americans, but that's not saying much. To be competitive internationally you need at least a sub 1440 5k with 58-60 last lap speed. No American woman will ever be competitive internationally in the 5k, except potentially Cain because she has the closing speed if she has a long career and moves up like Lagat.

Moser isn't even the best 1500m runner in her training group. Cain kicks her butt. Moser will never do anything internationally. And she's like 30 I think. She's gonna start slowing down soon.

NotAustin18 wrote:It's not very logical to inject a needle into your arm while a bunch of HS kids are around right before a run. Use common sense.

It's not very logical to inject a needle into your arm while a bunch of Schumacher athletes are around right before a drug-tested 10,000m championship, but you claimed that happened too.

HardLoper wrote:

It's not very logical to inject a needle into your arm while a bunch of Schumacher athletes are around right before a drug-tested 10,000m championship, but you claimed that happened too.

reader of the forums wrote:

HardLoper wrote:

It's not very logical to inject a needle into your arm while a bunch of Schumacher athletes are around right before a drug-tested 10,000m championship, but you claimed that happened too.

http://www.tracktalk.net/anyone-else-hear-salazar-rumor-t13931.html

They're right, I bet it's vitamin B. Definitely vitamin B.

How is Rupp and Mo beating the best in the world who are supposedly doping while not doping themselves? That is nonsensical.

Just as Lance Armstrong was supposedly clean and everyone knows that everyone in cycling dopes. Yet supposedly the one clean guy is somehow beating the very best in the world who are dirty and he goes on to win 7 Tours de France. Does that even seem reasonable?

Maybe I'm naive, but I don't get a lot of the reasoning behind the accusations of Centro. Like his pr's aren't super crazy, he's just really good at racing. Like do drugs make you smarter or something?

Mo has always been a phenomenal racer. But his personal bests are nothing to write home about

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