I can run a 3000 steeplechase at my 5000 pace. Am I an extremely talented steepler?

emerging steeple god? wrote:

brogan1 wrote:

If you think your steeple ability is so great then post your PRs for all your events.

What does that have to do with my steeple awesomeness?

I think you are trolling because it is hard to believe you really are this clueless. But I will take your post seriously anyway.

You created this thread to ask if your steeple chase was good compared to your other events...to see if your actual steeple skills were superior to other runners of similar endurance. Without video of your steeple form the only way to know would be to compare your PRs between events. You've avoided posting this information throughout the entire thread though, so you are probably just trolling.

brogan1 wrote:

I think you are trolling because it is hard to believe you really are this clueless. But I will take your post seriously anyway.

You created this thread to ask if your steeple chase was good compared to your other events...to see if your actual steeple skills were superior to other runners of similar endurance. Without video of your steeple form the only way to know would be to compare your PRs between events. You've avoided posting this information throughout the entire thread though, so you are probably just trolling.

Not trolling. Here's a vid...

Most underdeveloped runners would find a similar result. Look at HS guys 2 mile times vs their 5k times. The 5k pace is slow as hll.

So, you probably have a normal steeple/2 mile differential (meaning you're not that good at steeple) but a slower 5k relative to your 2 mile than elites.

Arabian Horse wrote:

Just tell us the difference between your 3k (estimated if you don't run it) and steeple times. That is all we need to know.

12.4 seconds.

explainer wrote:

Most underdeveloped runners would find a similar result. Look at HS guys 2 mile times vs their 5k times. The 5k pace is slow as hll.

So, you probably have a normal steeple/2 mile differential (meaning you're not that good at steeple) but a slower 5k relative to your 2 mile than elites.

No, my 5000 pace barely drops off from my 3-mile. I am not great at 800/1500 but have really good endurance for a high school runner. I actually thought my obvious specialty would be the marathon until I realized how naturally I do the steeplechase.

emerging steeple god? wrote:

explainer wrote:

Most underdeveloped runners would find a similar result. Look at HS guys 2 mile times vs their 5k times. The 5k pace is slow as hll.

So, you probably have a normal steeple/2 mile differential (meaning you're not that good at steeple) but a slower 5k relative to your 2 mile than elites.

No, my 5000 pace barely drops off from my 3-mile. I am not great at 800/1500 but have really good endurance for a high school runner. I actually thought my obvious specialty would be the marathon until I realized how naturally I do the steeplechase.

If you aren't fast you can't be good in the steeple. It's still a short quick race. Maybe you can be relatively better in the steeple than the 1500/5000/10000...but not top class unless you have the wheels.

As far as running your steeple at 5000 pace...your 5000 PR is weak. Or you are the only runner in history to have a steeple PR pace faster than 5000 PR pace. One of these is much more likely than the other.

Though the idea that steeple ability = 10k ability from a pace standpoint seems questionable. 8:00 steeple is 4:17 pace, or 26:40 10k pace. I don't think Jager is quite that good.

LM wrote:

Though the idea that steeple ability = 10k ability from a pace standpoint seems questionable. 8:00 steeple is 4:17 pace, or 26:40 10k pace. I don't think Jager is quite that good.

Jager's steeple PR is 8:06.81 - 4:21.14 per mile. That pace for 10,000 is 27:02.70.

Jager's 5000 PR is 13:02. McMillan calculator would convert that to 27:04.

You used the MacMillan Calculator, your argument is automatically invalid.

John Kellogg wrote:

The water jump is akin to running up a flight of about 10-15 stair steps in terms of the interruption in rhythm and the shift to anaerobic energy, and late in the race, this shift becomes exponentially noticeable, so having a smooth technique is helpful here so the early part of your race can stay less demanding.

See pages 22-23 for the entire section on steeplechase training.

My other go-to article on steeplechase training is this one:

LM wrote:

Though the idea that steeple ability = 10k ability from a pace standpoint seems questionable. 8:00 steeple is 4:17 pace, or 26:40 10k pace. I don't think Jager is quite that good.

Maybe you didn't read my posts, but I already pointed out that 8:00 pace is 26:40/13:20 pace, and so most elite steeplers are probably doing it faster than their 10k and slower than their 5k. Sorry if all of the posts against my steepling made you miss this post.

emerging steeple god? wrote:

No, my 5000 pace barely drops off from my 3-mile. I am not great at 800/1500 but have really good endurance for a high school runner. I actually thought my obvious specialty would be the marathon until I realized how naturally I do the steeplechase.

Well that explains it. You're in high school so your 5Ks are probably all cross-country or unimportant road races that don't translate to the track.

Welp, this was a good thread while it lasted.

Observer of Calculations wrote:

You used the MacMillan Calculator, your argument is automatically invalid.

I was not arguing that steeple pace equals 10k pace.

Observer of Steeplechase wrote:

Well that explains it. You're in high school so your 5Ks are probably all cross-country or unimportant road races that don't translate to the track.

Welp, this was a good thread while it lasted.

You are wrong.

I have run many 5ks on fast road courses and on the track. My 5k PR is my 5k ability.

But my 3000 steeplechase pace is faster, because of my easy jumping skills I guess.

Obviously it seems to be abnormal which is why the steeplechase jumps are "like a flight of stairs" to many runners. Does anyone else find the steeple jumps refreshing during a race like I do?

emerging steeple god? wrote:

Obviously it seems to be abnormal which is why the steeplechase jumps are "like a flight of stairs" to many runners. Does anyone else find the steeple jumps refreshing during a race like I do?

He's only talking about the water jumps, not every jump.

Where are you racing a 5k on the track in Hs. New york?

Yes, everyone finds the steeple jumps refreshing, it's a break from hard running strides. You're not special.

Steeple Cat wrote:

Where are you racing a 5k on the track in Hs. New york?

There are a good number of open 5000s on the track where I am. (college team, clubs)

Most of my 5k times were road races but I have done them one the track an run faster there.

LM wrote:

If you aren't fast you can't be good in the steeple. It's still a short quick race. Maybe you can be relatively better in the steeple than the 1500/5000/10000...but not top class unless you have the wheels.

My steeple gods Evan Jager, Ezekial Kemboi and Said Shaheen are all really good in 5000, not in 800/1500. I think the 3000 steeplchase is closer to the 5000 than the 1500 obviously.

OK, I just ran a 3000 steeplechase FASTER THAN MY 3000 PR!!!!

Is it a rare thing to actually GET FASTER from jumping the steeplechases?? They just give me energy!

I read online that some runners can turn lactics acid into oxygen. Could this be what I'm doing to get energized by the jumping?

Steeplechase 1234 wrote:

The 3000 meter steeple should be around your 2 mile pace

As others pointed out you're clueless. 2m time and 2m pace aren't the same thing. Don't contribute if you don't know anything about track.