Bernard Lagat's monday training run after a day off - 11mi @ 5:12 pace

SMJO wrote:

advocate of devils wrote:

The question was stupid.

All of the aforementioned athletes are more accomplished than Lagat is and are either

younger than 35 and lagat: Bekele

retired after setting numerous world records & golds: El G / Tergat

are still competing because they enjoy it: Geb (the GOAT)

moron

do you understand now?

I understood the question the first time. You still don't seem to get it.

This is about what type of training Lagat is doing to keep winning medals at an age where those other guys could not.

Do you understand now?

imbecile

the aforementioned athletes either set world records or won olympic gold medals. that is why they are not still competing save for Geb who is likely in his mid 40s. they do not feel the need to compete because they accomplished MORE at a YOUNGER age.

lagat has never won an olympic gold and has never set a world record. all of the aforementioned athletes have done that and thus don't feel the need to continue racing at a high level or at all.

get that through your tiny pea brain

advocate of devils wrote:

Geb, Bekele, El G, Komen, & Tergat train 7 days per week

Bunch of dopeheads.

Lagat is clean.

Carlos Lopes ran 2:07.12 at age 38 ( 4:50 a mile ).

advocate of God wrote:

advocate of devils wrote:

Geb, Bekele, El G, Komen, & Tergat train 7 days per week

Bunch of dopeheads.

Lagat is clean.

advocate of devils wrote:

corporate pr dept wrote:

Par for the course I guess. LR poster thinks he knows better than one of the top runners in the world.

Geb, Bekele, El G, Komen, & Tergat train 7 days per week

They are all much faster than Lagat at 3000m and 5000m

Actually they weren't. Lagat just never got in a fast race. The guy ran a 12:59 in 2006 beating Bekele closing in 51.9. Prior to his last lap that pace was jogging for him. He had low-low 12:40's in him. Off a real pace.

SMJO wrote:

advocate of devils wrote:

The question was stupid.

All of the aforementioned athletes are more accomplished than Lagat is and are either

younger than 35 and lagat: Bekele

retired after setting numerous world records & golds: El G / Tergat

are still competing because they enjoy it: Geb (the GOAT)

moron

do you understand now?

I understood the question the first time. You still don't seem to get it.

This is about what type of training Lagat is doing to keep winning medals at an age where those other guys could not.

Do you understand now?

The concept is over his head, SMJO. Don't bother.

I always feel like crap when I run the day after a day off, its like I just have to keep that rhythm

Mrr82 wrote:

advocate of devils wrote:

Geb, Bekele, El G, Komen, & Tergat train 7 days per week

They are all much faster than Lagat at 3000m and 5000m

He had low-low 12:40's in him. Off a real pace.

nope

Mofong wrote:

SMJO wrote:

I understood the question the first time. You still don't seem to get it.

This is about what type of training Lagat is doing to keep winning medals at an age where those other guys could not.

Do you understand now?

The concept is over his head, SMJO. Don't bother.

Yes

How can I not understand that the runners I listed have all had superior careers to Lagat and retired because they accomplished what he could not

Cabral:

"Because if we are to talk about Lopes after 1975, let me assure you he was running very fast on a daily basis and no-one could live with him on those tempo runs.

One of the main aspects that characterized Lopes’ training during his best seasons up to the 2:07:12 World Marathon Best or his 27:17 10,000m run, or the 1984 LA Olympic Marathon win or leading up to his 3 WCCC wins (and 2 seconds) was that fact that he would run 20-40 mins of tempo runs at a paces ranging from 2:55 to 3:05-3:07 per km, several times each week. We might consider these efforts as MaxLaSS and LT pace.

(Note here that Hadd makes a distinction between both paces, Lactate Turnpoint (LTP) pace and Lactate Threshold (LT). “LT corresponds extremely well (and is useful) with training for marathon performance, while the Lactate Turnpoint correlates better with MaxLaSS (Maximum Lactate Steady State) and thus HM and 10k performances.”)

I'm glad that Ventolin's writing style is so unique. It makes him easier to ignore.

Lagat is hardly the only elite runner who takes a day off. From what I understand, it's relatively common among Kenyan athletes. I've actually been meaning to start a thread about this concept for a while : why do we insist on running every day, even if one day is just a 5 mile jog? I suspect that it has a real impact on injury rates as you get past college age.

advocate of devils wrote:

Yes

How can I not understand that the runners I listed have all had superior careers to Lagat and retired because they accomplished what he could not

Total agreement but that's still not the point. If they had continued on this thread might be about their training post 35, but it's not.

It's about Lagat adding to his already stellar resume which is not as good as the aforementioned guys but gets closer with ever medal he wins.

Why are you trying to be Ventolin? Didn't you watch Highlander?

Also Tergat competed until he was older than Lagat is now and was a shadow of himself in later years.

Paula Radcliffe took a day off every 8 days. A rest day works for many elites.

i don't think it makes a difference either way - you only can train as hard as your fitness will allow - with a day off you train harder on the other days. obviously this only holds true to a point, you cant fit all your training into a very hard day for example, but your statements don't make any sense

Ho Hum wrote:

I'm glad that Ventolin's writing style is so unique. It makes him easier to ignore.

Lagat is hardly the only elite runner who takes a day off. From what I understand, it's relatively common among Kenyan athletes. I've actually been meaning to start a thread about this concept for a while : why do we insist on running every day, even if one day is just a 5 mile jog? I suspect that it has a real impact on injury rates as you get past college age.

You're correct. Wanjiru was one, Willis is another, there are probably a lot more who do it and we don't know. Hardly a big deal.

The more unique thing about Lagat is that he does mostly singles but hey, it still worked out in the end even if he peaked later in his career.

Lagat also walked Bekele down at 5000m in 12:59 with a 51 last lap back in the day, on low mileage.

Bekele's been worse than Lagat for years, despite being much younger.

jjjjjjjjj wrote:

Lagat also walked Bekele down at 5000m in 12:59 with a 51 last lap back in the day, on low mileage.

Bekele has has run over 20 seconds faster than that, i.e., Lagat would not even be in the home straight

He also won a third olympic gold medal 2 years later in an olympic record time

lagat was way back