What's a decent mile for a male soph?

The biggest variable here isn't the definition of "decent", it's how freakin' developed/matured the kid is physically as a sophomore.

You can see a kid improve by 10 seconds from sophomore to senior year because they were early developers or a minute because they were late bloomers.

For a physically developed sophomore, I'd say 4:45 is decent. For not-developed, 5:00, and those numbers could vary even more IMO.

agip wrote:

anyone out there in a city with a 10th grade championship in the mile or 1600?

Tell us what the podium was. I'm sure it will be all over the map, but I bet it falls out in the 4:50s.

All I'm saying is that podiums should not be defined as 'decent' - podiums should be defined as 'good'

but maybe I'm wrong - maybe most cities have 20 10th graders running 4:45. But I doubt it.

I think we are just defining 'decent' differently.

We don't have a city championship because we have 70,000 people only so it's just 2 public schools and a couple private schools. But in just those two public schools, in the past 5 years there are usually 1-2 sophs in the 4:20s, 5 in the 4:30s. And these two schools either dont qualify for or get in the last couple teams at the sate championships for xc.

a 4:50 isn't good at all. Literally any 10th grade with proper training for 2 years has a good shot at that. And a bunch with no training do too.

With his stat said, it is very early in the season. What was your season best by February? Almost no one from my HS ever ran a meet this early in in the year.

I realize athletic.net doesn't have anything, but right now, they have 10 freshmen or sophmores under 4:26.31 for 1600, and 10 under 4:27.69 for full mile.

Am I the only one thinking that the OP is a troll?

Hello wrote:

LetsRun Truths wrote:

Forget it. LetsRun will never get it. To most people 7 is good. To LetsRun 4.5 is good. That's in minutes per mile, or inches.

Fantastic.

LOL.

Thats awesome how perfect that works

My 10th grade son ran 4:43 indoors

- 5th of 40 sophs in the conference

- 25th of 375 sophs in the state

- 150th of 1400 milers (all grades) in the state

Basically top 10% by all measurements. I would venture that 4:45 is an order of magnitude better than decent. The top 25% of all sophs in the state is about 5:05.

I never know what to think about claims like this. How about this - post the results. I want to see 7 sophs 430s and below.

Here's the results from Long Beach Ca, a diverse city of 450,000 people. Great track tradition - Long Beach Poly is one of the top few track high schools in teh country, and Long Beach Wilson is not too bad either.

Here's the sophomore 1600 at league finals:

Mens 1600 Meters ========================================================================= Name Year School Final ========================================================================= 1 Christian Lubrin 9 Wilson (Long Beach) 4:54.91 2 Brennan Bruggeman 10 Poly (Long Beach) 4:56.39 3 Gian Delfin 9 Poly (Long Beach) 4:57.69 4 Jacob Marsh 9 Lakewood 4:58.13 5 Matt Oca 10 Poly (Long Beach) 4:57.45 6 Sam Hite 9 Wilson (Long Beach) 4:58.47 7 Drew Cox 10 Lakewood 4:58.92 8 Conor Ragland 9 Poly (Long Beach) 4:59.67 9 Alfredo Lopez 10 Millikan 5:01.51 10 Chris Swartz 9 Poly (Long Beach) 5:02.95

Read more: 2013 Results - Moore League Prelims/Finals 2013-05-03 CA - DyeStat.com TFX - The Internet Home of High School Track, Field and Cross Country

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And NYC, a metropolis of 8 million, has, oh, 5 10th graders under 5.

and you are saying your town of 70,000 has 7 10th graders most years under 4:30. It's just amazing how track results vary. Or you are making stuff up.

hahaha

I'm 16 and national class with a 4:56

very funny.

For A junior in my league, I'm decent. Upstate, by no means am I decent.

My decent standards

Freshman:5:30

Soph: 5:15

Junior: 5:00

Senior: 4:50

Here are the top 10 sophomores in MA in 2014:

1. 10 * Thomas Ratcliffe 4:20.00a MA Concord-Carlisle MIAA Auerbach All State Meet Sat, Feb 22

2. 10 Andrew Ernst 4:20.94a MA Marblehead Coaches Invitational Meet Sat, Jan 25

3. 10 Sam Stubbs 4:27.69a MA Cambridge Rindge & Latin Boston Holiday Challenge Sat, Dec 28

4. 10 Grant Hauver 4:28.10a MA Wachusett Regional MIAA Division I Championship Thu, Feb 13

5. 10 Zachary Manickas-Hill 4:29.06a MA Lexington Coaches Invitational Meet Sat, Jan 25

6. 10 Thomas D'Anieri 4:29.57a MA Wellesley Bay State Conference #6 Interdivisionals Thu, Jan 30

7. 10 Daniel Aschale 4:30.95a MA Cambridge Rindge & Latin Coaches Elite Meet Sun, Jan 26

8. 10 Noah Lindeman 4:31.01a MA Brookline Bay State Conference #5 Thu, Jan 23

9. 10 Esitya Alemseged 4:32.41a MA Cambridge Rindge & Latin Auerbach Fr/So Meet - Large Sat, Jan 4

10. 10 Harry Maloy 4:34.58a MA Saint John's Shrewsbury Tri-County Championship League Meet Thu, Feb 6

Now lets imagine the kid hasn't hit puberty, runs an 18:30 5k and is 5 feet 2 inches...

Agip I always chuckle at this too.

Start a thread about how many ppl training right from a young age could break 5 and you gets majority answer of 1-2%, a few 50% and some other between there.

Average it out and you get an answer of maybe 8-10%.

Come to a thread about decent and even 4:30 is barely scraping decent....mhm the majority opinion is that 1-2% of all males could break 5 training from young age with 1Mil incentive

Classic LRC!

Across 4 classes in our state indoor finals (~80 runners total) it looks like 3 sophomores ran under 4:50 for 1600. 1 ran 4:40 and won one of the smaller of the divisions 1a or 2a, I forget now.

Decent for a high school sophomore is

4:45 - 4:59

I don't see how anyone could possibly disagree with this.

Illinois middle school (8th grade) state meet finals top ten:

1 Alekos Mitchell New Lenox Martino 4:43.92

2 Keduse Worku Chicago Whitney Young 4:45.07

3 Andrew Singh Lake Forest Deer Path 4:45.39

4 Will O'Keefe Granite City Coolidge 4:45.74

5 Gabriel Pommier Mahomet-Seymour 4:46.27

6 Jonathan Landis Sterling Challand 4:46.90

7 Shane Williamson Vernon Hills 4:47.90

8 Irwin Loud Oak Park Julian 4:48.78

9 Jacob Donaldson Effingham JHS 4:49.16

10 Jake Gillum Germantown Hills 4:51.26

Since these are the fastest 8th graders, I think under 5:00 for a sophomore is "decent".

3:43.13

LM wrote:

Agip I always chuckle at this too.

Start a thread about how many ppl training right from a young age could break 5 and you gets majority answer of 1-2%, a few 50% and some other between there.

Average it out and you get an answer of maybe 8-10%.

Come to a thread about decent and even 4:30 is barely scraping decent....mhm the majority opinion is that 1-2% of all males could break 5 training from young age with 1Mil incentive

Classic LRC!

Let me clarify my position on this:

I agree that a VERY small percentage can break 5:00 for a mile. 5% max and perhaps less than that...even if properly trained.

I will also say though that you have to at least break 5:00 in high school to be considered 'decent'...this is because you are measured against those who actually go out for track and run distance...those are the ones who have shown they have some talent. You have to be measured against that group.

FRESHMEN

4:59 - For decent freshmen runners, going sub 5 is a coming of age sort of thing.

SOPHOMORES

4:49 - Not fast enough to make the varsity team yet, but consistently getting in the top 6 in JV races.

JUNIORS

4:39 - Breaking into the 430s is another coming of age sort of thing. Every decent high school runner does it. It's no wonder that letsrun's greatest troll called himself "the430miler".

SENIORS

4:29 - Gotta break 4:30. You don't want to be known as a 430 miler for the rest of your life. This is not scholarship material, but decent.

5:15 is a girls time.

Decent as a soph is 4:30-4:40.

Gucham El Hierrouj wrote:

3:43.13

Your drunk, go home

Even you didn't even run this fast as a HS sophomore