Stick, you are full of baloney.
The Olympics is the Olympics. Silver is silver.
A 53 point final lap, how do you explain that away?
The Rupp haters are multitude, and they are dumb.
Stick, you are full of baloney.
The Olympics is the Olympics. Silver is silver.
A 53 point final lap, how do you explain that away?
The Rupp haters are multitude, and they are dumb.
Horst Girth wrote:
Stick, you are full of baloney.
The Olympics is the Olympics. Silver is silver.
A 53 point final lap, how do you explain that away?
The Rupp haters are multitude, and they are dumb.
Why are they Rupp haters if they wonder if he's ready? They are just knowledgeable fans of the sport.
As others have pointed out. 3000 is a short event. The last time Rupp ran at USA indoors, he didn't make the team in the 3000. When was that? 2012 - the year he won the silver medal in the 10000.
Rupp's speed development is amazing but he's not a proben medallist at 5000. You do realize 3000 is less than that.
Yes 7:30 is damn good. So is 13:01. I don't think anyone in the field can do that except for Lagat.
If the race was all out from the gun, he'd likely break the field as it would end up being more like a 5000. But there are no rabbits. So how do you make it all out from the gun?
Most of the time, people don't have the cajones to lead the whole thing. So then it becomes more like a 1500.
If it's more of a 1500, then Rupp's got some potential issues. I'd argue given his Wanamaker mile win, his two wins at USA indoors last year, that Will Leer would pose a big potential problem for Rupp. Lagat beat Rupp at 5000 last year so 3000 is going to be doubly difficult.
But if Leer goes 1500 (some have said that),then Rupp's looking a lot better as he's got better wheels than the other 3000 guys. Hill is in great shape but that would be a big step up for him to take down Rupp.
It's interesting to contemplate to say the least.
Certainly nothing belongs in 'hating category' to ask it.
Oh yeah and add in the fact that Rupp had health issues in his last race and was a DNF.
rojo wrote: Oh yeah and add in the fact that Rupp had health issues in his last race and was a DNF.
That is the storyline. Based on Rupp being able to do a psot-race workout, Rupp did not have an actual injury. He simply quit running midrace.
rupp-certified logic wrote:
It is remarkable that he can consistently lost to someone when he has faster current ability at the race distance. The fact that Rupp has a faster 3000 ability and can still lose races shows just how bad a tactician he is.
So basically you're saying he should run such races as a time-trial in order to maximize his potential for success? But isn't that what you were complaining about?
I think Mr. Gurst was simply replying to the 'haters' who apparently don't think he has any ability to race (only time trial) despite winning a silver medal in the Olympics. But, of course, to the 'haters' it was the weakest 10k field ever, so it doesn't count.
There is difference between discussing his chances in the 3k vs. not giving credit where credit is due. People don't need to like Rupp and/or NOP, but don't distort reality.
Common Senseless wrote:
... these ppl are like a virus
mirror, mirror
rupp's in better shape at 1500-10000m than any other American right now, no doubt about it. But the primary doubt here is not that he has not closed fast in a short race (he closed in 51.5 at 5000m Olympic Trials) but that it is at altitude, where he bombed two years ago, because of a cold and the altitude. If he's healthy and altitude-ready, he'll do fine. But altitude-born and trained athletes like Lagat and Lomong always have a built-in advantage at altitude, and hence are very hard to beat there. Look at what Keino did to Ryan in 1968 and look at what happened to every non-altitude athlete in those games in the distances.
NoOhOh wrote:
ohno wrote: Rupp is so far above the other athletes. 7:30...The WR is 7:20.67. Rupp is a full 10 seconds slower. Lagat holds at AR at 7:29. How is Rupp so far above other athletes?
Wrong, world record is 7:24.90 for this discussion, Rupp has the AR at 7:30 which is around 2.3 seconds faster than Lagat has ever run indoors.
Maybe you didn't know that indoors and outdoors aren't the same thing.
I'm not suggesting Rupp is above Lagat, just suggesting everything you just said is irrelevant.
jjjjjjjjjjj wrote:
rupp's in better shape at 1500-10000m than any other American right now, no doubt about it. But the primary doubt here is not that he has not closed fast in a short race (he closed in 51.5 at 5000m Olympic Trials) but that it is at altitude, where he bombed two years ago, because of a cold and the altitude. If he's healthy and altitude-ready, he'll do fine. But altitude-born and trained athletes like Lagat and Lomong always have a built-in advantage at altitude, and hence are very hard to beat there. Look at what Keino did to Ryan in 1968 and look at what happened to every non-altitude athlete in those games in the distances.
More like 52 high...51 is getting into ridiculous territory.
Rupp has found that once in a race shorter than 10,000. He needs to learn how to do it on command. Hopefully this will be the race he figures that out.
Mrr82 wrote: Wrong, world record is 7:24.90 for this discussion....
Hmmmm, you are making up new rules as you go. That is typical fanboi behavior. The 3000 WR is 7:20.67. Your claim that the WR is 7:49.90 "for this discussion" is total BS. Your entire post is meaningless drivel.
Realllllyyyy!!!! wrote:
Mrr82 wrote: Wrong, world record is 7:24.90 for this discussion....Hmmmm, you are making up new rules as you go. That is typical fanboi behavior. The 3000 WR is 7:20.67. Your claim that the WR is 7:49.90 "for this discussion" is total BS. Your entire post is meaningless drivel.
You are correct. The 3000 WR is indeed 7:20.67
However, he is also completely correct, because we are not discussing the 3000 run. We are discussing the 3000i run, which as far as the IAAF is concerned are two separate events with two separate world records.
Horst Girth wrote:
Stick, you are full of baloney.
The Olympics is the Olympics. Silver is silver.
If all you care about is story telling, then maybe.
If you care about sound intelligent analysis, then you are incorrect.
ohno wrote:
Rupp is so far above the other athletes.
7:30 from much worse fitness. Silver almost two years ago.
Nope, you are wrong. The comment relied is quoted above. What does Silver from two years ago have to do with an indoor event?
Realllllyyyy!!!! wrote:
Mrr82 wrote: Wrong, world record is 7:24.90 for this discussion....Hmmmm, you are making up new rules as you go. That is typical fanboi behavior. The 3000 WR is 7:20.67. Your claim that the WR is 7:49.90 "for this discussion" is total BS. Your entire post is meaningless drivel.
Who claimed it was 7:49.90? Are you batshit mad?
Are you making up rules as YOU go? There are WRs for indoors and outdoors. We are talking about indoors. Please exit this thread and put your head in the sand in shame.
He mistyped.
Who cares, I just hope it's another exciting Rupp vs. Lagat race. Having Ryan Hill in contention with 400 to go would be nice too.
0/10 from one of the lamest troll attempts ever on the LRC.
Add to the above,
-2 for posting from your mommy's basement
Your final score is: -2/10
Realllllyyyy!!!! wrote:
ohno wrote:Rupp is so far above the other athletes.
7:30 from much worse fitness. Silver almost two years ago.
Nope, you are wrong. The comment relied is quoted above. What does Silver from two years ago have to do with an indoor event?
I am? That's odd because everything I wrote in my replay is completely verifiable.
1) 3000 WR is 7:20.67
2) 3000i WR is a separate WR from the 3000 WR per IAAF
Do you actually disagree with either of those statements?
(o) vs (i) is not the issue, the post made was to this:
"Rupp is so far above the other athletes ... Silver almost two years ago."
Realllllyyyy!!!! wrote:
(o) vs (i) is not the issue, the post made was to this:
"Rupp is so far above the other athletes ... Silver almost two years ago."
Yea nvm I see what you are saying now. Silver is a bit of an odd justification to say an athlete is so far above other athletes. Good justification for saying an athlete could be a contender, but obv there is a big difference between 10000 and 3000i
I have no idea what "7:30 off much worse fitness" is supposed to mean...
I do believe that Rupp is probably the most fit/fastest 3000 guy in the field though, but he hasn't done anything to show he is above the others when it comes to tactical 3000 racing.
RUPP may be the fastest in this particular field, but as you noted, he is not far above all other athletes, especially when compared to the all time 3k list. Rupp is still a sit and kick trained runner.
Trying to bring Rupp's 2012 Silver into the discussion only opens the door to comparing past performances of other athletes.