If a drug is not on the naughty list you can try it out.
If a drug is not on the naughty list you can try it out.
wink wink wrote:
He should be more tough like Chris Solinsky and just PUSH through any nagging pain. I'm sure nothing bad will come of that.
I think Solinsky tripped over his dog, that's why he got hurt.
rupp-certified WADA wrote:
J.R. wrote:drug testing is a thinly veiled promotion of doping.
How so?
The big pharma agency's purpose is promoting the idea that drugs make runners into super heros capable of accomplishing impossible feats. They are nothing more than promoters of drugs and drug use.
Personally I think the drugs are useless and don't help anyone, but they do send many to their early demise.
J.R. wrote:
rupp-certified WADA wrote:How so?
The big pharma agency's purpose is promoting the idea that drugs make runners into super heros capable of accomplishing impossible feats. They are nothing more than promoters of drugs and drug use.
Personally I think the drugs are useless and don't help anyone, but they do send many to their early demise.
just not a science guy, are you there ol' J.R.?
I'm intrigued though. How an intelligent westerner can just throw science aside. Not many can do that.
Oh, boy! The retarded kids are fighting!
I'm curious as to what makes you say this? I don't think of myself as annoying, but maybe I am :0
Mstrs800guy wrote:
I'm curious as to what makes you say this? I don't think of myself as annoying, but maybe I am :0
Either somebody is being a troll or is just an idiot. Most people who love running would not dismiss serious master's runners. The same with women's running. The sport is all about testing the limits of the body against suitable competition. The problem with doping is that it interferes with our ability to really know what human bodies can do.
I actually love watching the master's divisions of the Fifth Avenue Mile. A race is a race. And, it's amazing to see some people in their 70s running in the 7 min range.
I agree. And I've run 5 ave twice in the masters category and hope to do it yearly...but am always getting hurt!
In 2006 at the world masters indoor champs I ran into a 91yr old 800runner who was very nervous before his competition, so being a competitor doesn't have to end with age!
"What a wuss." wrote:
http://masterstrack.com/2014/02/28040/#more-28040"In the elite mile, Galen Rupp quit with two laps to go with what he said was a sore left leg. What a wuss."
There are very few runners that have a season end game similar to that of Rupp. Certainly no one related to masterstrack.com is training for an event as big as the World Championships. I think that is where a lot of the disconnection is with those bashing Rupp for dropping out. The NB mile was a nice race, but why should a runner in that race, with goals of a World Championship medal, not be cautious if they feel something a little off? What is the benefit to "toughing it out" and seeing if it gets worse? If you were in the running for a state title in high school and felt a twinge or pain in a small invitational is it unrealistic to drop out and be safe? What if your livelihood was based on running?
There are two camps bashing Rupp. Neither of which I really understand.
1. He didn't feel anything and dropped out because he couldn't handle a moderate pace. It is possible, but I'm still amazed at how many of you know what Rupp felt in his foot. You should all be making millions as doctors and therapists with your remote video diagnosis programs.
2. Those that think he should have just toughed it out because it wasn't something seriously acute that prevented him from running. For this crowd, when was it decided that the best way to handle a twinge, tweak, etc. was to keep soldiering on to see if it really popped? That's the best move for a professional athlete who makes their livelihood running? Better to finish a mile race and risk missing the world championships to prove your tough?
You assume Rupp had an actual injury. That was not the case. Rupp didn't have it, so he quit. It's a mentality issue for Rupp.
You're missing the third group which has no problem with an athlete dropping out of a race because s/he felt something that they feared could be pushed into a serious injury but who cannot get comfortable when that same athlete is back running a hard workout a few minutes after dropping out with an injury.
far from truth wrote:
God, shut up! YES HE SHOULD PUSH THROUGH PAIN. THAT'S THE POINT OF BEING A RUNNER, NOT TO ALWAYS RUN WHEN IT FEELS GOOD BUT TO RUN WHEN IT HURTS, RUN WHEN YOU FEEL LIKE SHIT, RUN WHEN YOU GODDAMN WANT TO QUIT! WHY DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT?
I'm sure Rupp felt no pain when he ran 3:50 or 7:30 or 12:58 or 26:48... or when he won the silver medal. I'm sure of it.
Imagine all the gold medals and world records he would have if he was as tough as "far from truth" as could just run through the pain...
HRE wrote:
You're missing the third group which has no problem with an athlete dropping out of a race because s/he felt something that they feared could be pushed into a serious injury but who cannot get comfortable when that same athlete is back running a hard workout a few minutes after dropping out with an injury.
I will concede that is a very valid point and one that I can see someone reaching. It is more those saying they "know" he felt nothing or even if he did feel something he should have toughed it out that bother me and lead to my reply, but your point about a more reasonable third group is a good one. I can understand the explanation that it was something that was just popped back into place and good to go, but if I am a coach/athlete and I, or a runner of mine, drop out of a race because they felt anything and wanted to be cautious, I'm calling it good for that day, at least as far as hard efforts.
HRE wrote:
You're missing the third group which has no problem with an athlete dropping out of a race because s/he felt something that they feared could be pushed into a serious injury but who cannot get comfortable when that same athlete is back running a hard workout a few minutes after dropping out with an injury.
Just curious if you've read the thread about his injury, including posts by others who have experienced the same injury, and the immediate relief once it has been treated?
Isn't it possible that he truly felt a sharp pain, someone on his team recognized the injury, made the adjustment, and told him he'd be fine to do a workout?
If this was ANYONE else, we would have moved on days ago.
If it was anyone else they probably would not have done a hard workout after dropping out of a race to "prevent" an injury. I really don't think it matters whether there was a "real" impending injury that was adjusted or not and there's certainly no way of distinguishing what really happened from a good fabrication.
If you drop out of a race claiming injury then you should get the hell out of sight if you're going to do something that makes your explanation look like crap. If there is no other venue to do the workout than on the track you've just dropped out from let the workout go, no workout is so important that it can't be re-scheduled. It makes fans and other competitors feel cheated and makes the sport look bad and if you're a professional athlete you have obligations that go beyond yourself.
that wasn't me, but it is on the mark.
Mstrs800guy wrote:
I'm curious as to what makes you say this? I don't think of myself as annoying, but maybe I am :0
If you've ever used your age as a handicap then you're annoying. We get it, you're old. You don't need to tell every f*cking person about it and try to sound impressive because you ran some mediocre time but happen to be an older dude.
HRE wrote:
You're missing the third group which has no problem with an athlete dropping out of a race because s/he felt something that they feared could be pushed into a serious injury but who cannot get comfortable when that same athlete is back running a hard workout a few minutes after dropping out with an injury.
Consider that this "race" was part of a planned workout for Rupp. Maybe I'm the only one, but I've cut a repeat short or backed off pace when I felt an unexpected twinge more than a time or two, tested it out, and gone on to finish the workout. It's not like one can call for an injury timeout in running and then resume the game. His explanation is at least plausible.
Ah youth. While I agree with you that bragging on your own times is annoying at any age, we'll see how mediocre your times are when your a masters runner. Chances are, if you're still an athlete then, you will feel then, as you do now, justifiably proud of a good effort.
Of course the explanation is plausible. But if I'd gone to that meet, and this was the first time I didn't, I would not have been happy about paying a pile of money and dealing with parking around RLC to watch a featured athlete do a workout. It's one thing to do what you describe on track by yourself or with some training partners. It's another thing to do it in a situation where a lot of people think they're racing you or are watching you race.