Penn State DMR 9:26.59

Haha - you can't even respond to the correct post, but I am the one who doesn't have a clue?

Anyways, you are a moron and your post is pure drivel. You state that Creese was out in "only 2 flat". His PRs are 3:41/3:57 and this was an indoor meet in January. Fool.

In response to your statement that I need to learn how to watch a race:

"Kidder about 2:53.5 … Creese about 4:00 or 4:01"

GO Stanford wrote:

Funny how many runners run 2:53 for 1200 no matter what their 800 and mile PR's are. A nice quick pace will result in a 2:53 for the 1200. Kidder is a great kid no doubt but I have seem 4:04 milers run 2:53 before I love the DMR the best event indoors by far

Here is Kidder running a 2:59 1200

GO Stanford wrote:

Trialswatcher wrote:

watched the race beginning to end.

Kidder about 2:53.5

400 probably split 48

Watkins 1:48 high

Creese about 4:00 to 4:01 easy, walking away. PSU is way better than the old days, that is for sure

To be fair some others were on their first race this year

IF creese was pushed it would have been an NCAA record

Funny how many runners run 2:53 for 1200 no matter what their 800 and mile PR's are. A nice quick pace will result in a 2:53 for the 1200. Kidder is a great kid no doubt but I have seem 4:04 milers run 2:53 before I love the DMR the best event indoors by far

I don't see a lot of 2:53s, only about have a dozen a year indoors; 2:53 is either a sub-1:50 800 or a sub-4 mile and there aren't a lot of athletes who can do that.

Do a little research and find the number of 2:53 1200 splits or faster in the last 5 years. They aren't a dime a dozen.

GO Stanford wrote:

Trialswatcher wrote:

watched the race beginning to end.

Kidder about 2:53.5

400 probably split 48

Watkins 1:48 high

Creese about 4:00 to 4:01 easy, walking away. PSU is way better than the old days, that is for sure

To be fair some others were on their first race this year

IF creese was pushed it would have been an NCAA record

Funny how many runners run 2:53 for 1200 no matter what their 800 and mile PR's are. A nice quick pace will result in a 2:53 for the 1200. Kidder is a great kid no doubt but I have seem 4:04 milers run 2:53 before I love the DMR the best event indoors by far

ososk wrote:

DUCK U DUCK wrote:

When the NCAA were creating the conversions for all divisions on qualifying marks they found no statistical significant difference between a banked 200 and oversized. Theoretically the times are the same.

There is no real theory if there was no real science done.

This mis-understands the very nature of the question. The question is, empirically, what is the advantage (relative to some standard, of an over-sized oval. Empirically, the early data indicates that the banked 200 and the OT tracks, as a group, provide about the same level of advantage (to a Flat 200)

If there is a 'theory' it is that the wider ovals and the Banked tracks both diminish the cost of accelerating around tight turns and so so be faster. A lot of empirical evidence backs it up.

What we will see with the bigger differential now than there used to be is that serious efforts will be made on Flat 200 tracks and the differential now estimated will be fine-tuned. What I expect to see eventually is that OT's will be seen to provide a slight advantage by 1000m (maybe too slight to get measurable at 800, but maybe not) and that the good Banked 200s are better at 200 and 400, and 600m is a wash.

I'm just excited that there won't be a lame azz last chance meet to screw up a great meet performance.

From time to time.

renewed marathoner wrote:

whaaattt! I remember king! does kalaby frequent these boards ?