ELISE CRANNY to STANFORD

To the individual who believes that undergrad education does not really differ from school to school: what planet are you living on? Have you ever visited, say, a mid-rated public school in Arkansas or Alabama, say -- not to pick on Arkansas and Alabama-- and an elite school like Harvard or Princeton or Berkeley or Stanford? Have you ever sat in on classes at these schools, and listened to the radically-different quality of the professors, or heard the questions and responses of students in these classes, or read the papers or tests produced, reflecting the depth of learning that has occurred or not? I don't believe you have, or if you have, you are someone who is completely bound by your own prejudice, or oblivious to the evidence of your own senses, not to mention your mind (although I should.)

The undergrad education does not really differ from school to school? To quote John McEnroe: You can't be serious.

The TOP 100 academic ranked schools of the P12 have always had the world's top research & development labs, and academic departments. The Reserach P12 are: Utah, UW, ASU, UA, USC, Cal, UCLA, Stanford, and CU. There's no way in hell kids will pass up a chance at an education at these schools which sets them up on a permanent fast track for the rest of their life.

Wow she just wasted her talents going to a school that seems to take great high school runners and make them slower and not faster.

you didnt fix it wrote:

The undergrad education does not really differ from school to school. She'd learn just as much anywhere else.

This is the probably the most often repeated completely false statement seen on LetsRun. Don't you expect to learn something from your peers? The recruiters are Stanford hire a vastly larger fraction of the students and pay vastly higher salaries than at even a decent school like Colorado.

So, why am I supposed to believe that all of these people with a lot on the line, including a lot of money, are repeatedly wrong and some anonymous poster with no content to their 'argument' just a conclusion is correct?

This will be a whole new ballgame with Miltenberg as the coach...give him a little more time to build. Those of you who know this already can only lob insults for now....and arguing over the merits of a Stanford education is just ridiculous. Its a fact, get over it.

cluelessineugene wrote:

This will be a whole new ballgame with Miltenberg as the coach...give him a little more time to build. Those of you who know this already can only lob insults for now....and arguing over the merits of a Stanford education is just ridiculous. Its a fact, get over it.

Also going to Stanford next fall is Olivia Baker from New Jersey. As a junior last year she won the 400 in the outdoor Nationals in 53.08. Her PR is 52.71.

Don't get carried away with your bias toward other schools. The group of distance guys I ran with did fine with your so-called (and specifically named) mid-rated public school.

My cross country team produced 2 doctors (MDs), a lawyer,and a three very successful businessmen (including myself). And oh by the way, we managed 20 plus Division I All American certificates, a couple of NCAA titles and a world champion.

No school makes you better than you already are but a coach just might.

You get out of it what you put into it. Or as John would say, 'You make your own luck.'

I never said that you have doomed your future if you go to a mid-ranked school in those two states that start with the letter "A." I was simply talking about the quality of the education received, which I think is indisputably better in most of the so-called "elite" schools around the country. I'm making no larger claim than that.

Elise cranny 14:48 5k #7 US performer of all time. Stanford graduate and unlike this post implied- Stanford did not ruin her running career.

Cdot2005 wrote:

Elise cranny 14:48 5k #7 US performer of all time. Stanford graduate and unlike this post implied- Stanford did not ruin her running career.

Stanford didn't help her running career either. In those 4 years she only got 1 second faster in the 1500. Her college PR in the 5k was 15:49, now 2 years later she has improved by over a minute.

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Cdot2005 wrote:

Elise cranny 14:48 5k #7 US performer of all time. Stanford graduate and unlike this post implied- Stanford did not ruin her running career.

Stanford didn't help her running career either. In those 4 years she only got 1 second faster in the 1500. Her college PR in the 5k was 15:49, now 2 years later she has improved by over a minute.

Ya she seemed to be injured a lot in college. Maybe somewhere else she would've had a better progression and run something like 15:15 during college. Since she just now ran 14:48 it means her barely sub 16:00 wasn't tapping into her potential very much. On the other hand, Grant Fisher just ran 13:11, and wasn't he roughly 13:20 in college? so he was able to get fatser at Stanford, and still faster with Bowerman.

Yeah wow, it's almost like individuals are highly complex in many aspects and have different and winding paths through their running careers, and their choice of college does not automatically determine their fate.