Twitter rumour about Marathon EPO positive

AthleticsIllustrated wrote:

I cannot take any member nation or federation seriously until they do something serious, like permanently ban an athlete. Or Wada or IAAF or IOC sanction a nation.

So, since the US has banned Armstrong for life we get taken seriously?

Oh yeah, real serious.

Armstrong's career was basically over. The evidence was so overwhelming. He was a bully and a sociopath. Banning him, finally, was simply a gesture to pretend to care.

...or perhaps having not testing positive, perhaps USADA et al hands were tied.

appears from the article that he might have missed an out of competition test and was given a short term suspension (quietly) yet still ran another race. pathetic. ban em all!

fed up wrote:

Turkey should be banned for 5 years from international competition and fined a few million euros which should put into drug-testing research.

They don't use the Euro in Turkey bro

trollism wrote:

Hardloper wrote:

2:08 in Düsseldorf April 2012, 2:08 in Daegu april 2013, then 2:12 in Istanbul and busted for EPO. Case closed, EPO works!

Yeah, cause every filthy cheat only ever takes their drugs that single unfortunate time when they're actually caught.

Your comment should be a 2 week internet bad in my opinion. It's that bad a comment.

Nothing bannable about it. This website has always allowed free discussion on doping. Come on, he's a Kenyan who ran 2:12, other than the race he stole, does it really say much that he's on EPO?

Little long, but brings up a few very bannable people...

Shameless plug. A little long on babble and a little short on content, and it doesn't seem to mention any bannable people, as promised.

The only obvious name that comes to mind.

Paula Radcliffe

Why would anyone suspect Paula's performance was due to EPO?

Assuming EPO is working so well for the men's marathon, why can't the women recreate some of Paula's magic?

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rekrunner wrote:

Why would anyone suspect Paula's performance was due to EPO?

Assuming EPO is working so well for the men's marathon, why can't the women recreate some of Paula's magic?

Your post doesn't make any sense.

What is the link between Paula and the marathon and EPO?

Hardloper wrote:

Nothing bannable about it. This website has always allowed free discussion on doping. Come on, he's a Kenyan who ran 2:12, other than the race he stole, does it really say much that he's on EPO?

I never meant you should be banned for discussing doping, I was drifting into my Utopian fantasy where people who write stupid stuffs on the interwebs were handed restrictions on their allowed access based on just how daft their comments were.

Your idea that this guy's 2:12 was any sort of indicator as to the effectiveness of EPO on marathon running crossed the threshold and the alarms would have sounded.

trollism wrote:

Your idea that this guy's 2:12 was any sort of indicator as to the effectiveness of EPO

The hell? I didn't say this, I said the opposite. I can hear the alarms now...

If it's so dumb, it should at least be possible to provide one or two counter-examples. The guy ran a couple of 2:08's, but when he was caught with EPO, he ran a 2:12. Seems like drugs are supposed to make you do better, not worse.Same thing with Kisorio: busted for steroids and confessed to EPO, but when he was busted, he ran worse times than previous PBs, before the confessed start of drug taking.But maybe these are bad examples, and we should dwell on them -- is there any long distance male runner who was busted for any drugs, in any distance longer than 3000m, that performed significantly better when he was taking drugs?Based on drug busts, and related performances, drugs seem to work for sprinters, throwers, and mid-distance, for both men and women. Women especially seem to respond well to male hormones in sprinting and strength events and middle distance. It also seems to work for cycling in long tours. But there doesn't seem to be much data or any strong correlation regarding long distance runners, not only taking drugs, but benefiting from them.

trollism wrote:

Your idea that this guy's 2:12 was any sort of indicator as to the effectiveness of EPO on marathon running crossed the threshold and the alarms would have sounded.

This still puzzles me. If Paula is the ONLY obvious name -- does that mean everyone else is clean?What is is about Paula that makes this at all obvious?Putting aside Paula's stated position on dopers, because she could be hiding something, one of the most telling thing is how her peers see her. Did any other female athletes accuse Paula of doping? I've seen a lot of quotes about the Chinese women, about the Turkish women, about the Russian women, but never did I read another female competitor accuse Paula of taking EPO to get her marathon performance.

It's about time wrote:

The only obvious name that comes to mind.

Paula Radcliffe

Hardloper wrote:

The hell? I didn't say this, I said the opposite. I can hear the alarms now...

Yes. I know you said that his 2:12 showed that EPO was perhaps not effective for marathon runners.

This is a stupid comment.

Do you want me to elaborate further or are you finished embarrassing yourself?

rekrunner wrote:

If it's so dumb, it should at least be possible to provide one or two counter-examples. The guy ran a couple of 2:08's, but when he was caught with EPO, he ran a 2:12. Seems like drugs are supposed to make you do better, not worse.

For one, he won this race and with it $50k. Why run faster?

For two, if he's a filthy cheater for this race, it's likely he's always been a filthy cheater. Have you any idea how difficult it is to actually test positive these days?

Do you actually believe that these lying cheats are telling the truth when they 'admit everything' about when they started conning people out of their money? You're an idiot if you believe them.

For proof that EPO works well for the marathon, all you have to do is look at the ranking lists each year. Ta da.

trollism wrote:

Yes. I know you said that his 2:12 showed that EPO was perhaps not effective for marathon runners.

This is a stupid comment.

Do you want me to elaborate further or are you finished embarrassing yourself?

I said "case closed, EPO works!" sarcastically, because it obviously did not indicate that EPO works, or anything for that matter.

trollism wrote:

For two, if he's a filthy cheater for this race, it's likely he's always been a filthy cheater. Have you any idea how difficult it is to actually test positive these days?

Apparently not that difficult because he accomplished it?

Not sure why he's likely always been a cheater, but even if he has, what does this prove? The guy ran 2:08. When other Kenyan-born runners can run 2:03 and white/Japanese people are running 2:06-2:07, a 2:08 Kenyan says absolutely nothing about the effectiveness of EPO.