Rudisha running the 1500!

I do not think Rudisha would even run 3:30 in his 2012 form. He wouldn't even be that far ahead of Symmonds. Symmonds has way less speed and probably more endurance. Of course it's a mystery what kind of shape he's in now.

3:45

Hardloper wrote:

I do not think Rudisha would even run 3:30 in his 2012 form. He wouldn't even be that far ahead of Symmonds. Symmonds has way less speed and probably more endurance. Of course it's a mystery what kind of shape he's in now.

Given that the major championships (Worlds and Olympics) are run in rounds, I would say that they are, at a minimum, a decent test of endurance. I know that most/all of the athletes with hopes, aspirations, and expectations of medaling will expend as little energy as possible to make it to the finals, they still have to run multiple high-quality 800s in a rather short time-frame. I just don't quite buy into the notion that Symmonds has more endurance, when, if true, that would make running a 3rd world-class 800 in so many days one of his strengths, when, it seems to me at least, that Rudisha does just as well (read: better since he actually wins those races...) in the same circumstances. So, like I said, I, personally, feel that Rudisha's ability to dominate rounds and finals they way he typucally does is a decent testament to his strength/endurance. A bit of 1500 specific work under his belt, and I see him at 3:29, give or take. I do not think he's gonna be the bestest of the best ever, but he should be pretty exciting to watch and better than most will give him credit for.

I don't know how fast he will run but it will be faster than anyone who has ever posted on Let's Run.com

He will be doing very well if he breaks 3:45. He won't come close to 3:40.

Running rounds well has nothing to do with endurance. 100m sprinters run rounds. Sometimes more than distance runners. All that running rounds well means is that you are running slower than your personal best ability.

I doubt that Rudisha will be anywhere close to his peak when he returns from injury. This has been a long layoff

photofinish wrote:

He will be doing very well if he breaks 3:45. He won't come close to 3:40.

Blake Haney ran 3:44 last year as a junior in high school. You really think the 800m WR holder is going to struggle to hold pace with a HS kid from the US?

We are talking about a guy that Bernard Lagat says "isn't even breathing" when they workout hard together.

Rudisha: 6'3" 154 = BMI 19.3 = typical 5000M runner

Wariner: 6'1" 157 = BMI 20.7 = typical 800M runner

That is what the all-knowing Wikipedia says anyway.

Koneko wrote:

http://allafrica.com/stories/201312051146.html

Dis gonna be good.

He could have gone 3:29 in 2012 based on his 800 training alone. I see a 3:27 with some miles under his belt. He will easily attain the lowest combined 800/1500 time ever.

What kind of science are you using here?

We really don't know. Everyone is different. My guess is because he is a very fast twitch person, he may have trouble moving up.

South Eugene Rocks wrote:

photofinish wrote:

He will be doing very well if he breaks 3:45. He won't come close to 3:40.

Blake Haney ran 3:44 last year as a junior in high school. You really think the 800m WR holder is going to struggle to hold pace with a HS kid from the US?

We are talking about a guy that Bernard Lagat says "isn't even breathing" when they workout hard together.

Rudisha: 6'3" 154 = BMI 19.3 = typical 5000M runner

Wariner: 6'1" 157 = BMI 20.7 = typical 800M runner

That is what the all-knowing Wikipedia says anyway.

Blake Haney doesn't power to his 1500 off of 45s open 400m speed. Some people on this board totally fail to realize that all athletes (even world-record-holders) achieve their performances based on physical parameters...not some disembodied concept of being 'great'.

"Oh sure Blake Haney is some skinny nobody - you really think Lebron couldn't run at least 3:42? Did you see how fast he was in the game against the clippers?!"

Fools. I bet Rudisha could break 3:40, but it would not be pretty. I've seen plenty of 47/1:49 guys struggle mightily to run a 4:10 1500m.

Obviously his 400m time isn't as good as his 800m, which indicates that he really isn't a "400"/800 guy. Like many world record holders, he is uniquely suited to the event he excels at.

Aerobic systems used

400m is ~ 40% aerobic

800m is ~ 60% aerobic

mile is ~ 80% aerobic

So Rudisha obviously has to have quite good aerobic capacity. And the argument could be made that he'd be equally as good at the mile as he is with the 400m.

With that in mind a 3:35 1500m matches up to his best 400m time.

South Eugene Rocks wrote:

photofinish wrote:

He will be doing very well if he breaks 3:45. He won't come close to 3:40.

Blake Haney ran 3:44 last year as a junior in high school. You really think the 800m WR holder is going to struggle to hold pace with a HS kid from the US?

We are talking about a guy that Bernard Lagat says "isn't even breathing" when they workout hard together.

Rudisha: 6'3" 154 = BMI 19.3 = typical 5000M runner

Wariner: 6'1" 157 = BMI 20.7 = typical 800M runner

That is what the all-knowing Wikipedia says anyway.

Obviously photofinish was trolling. And you were trolled.

You, on the other hand appear to be serious so I might as well point out the obvious flaws in your 'logic'.

1) What some HS kid from the US ran last year is not relevant in any way to what Rudisha can or cannot do.

2) Bernard Lagat likes to say nice things about people. Again, not relevant in any way.

3) Height and BMI are not 100% irrelevant but are only two of MANY physiological variables that determine where one's racing sweet spot lies.

Pointing Out the Obvious wrote:

Obviously photofinish was trolling. And you were trolled.

You, on the other hand appear to be serious so I might as well point out the obvious flaws in your 'logic'.

1) What some HS kid from the US ran last year is not relevant in any way to what Rudisha can or cannot do.

2) Bernard Lagat likes to say nice things about people. Again, not relevant in any way.

3) Height and BMI are not 100% irrelevant but are only two of MANY physiological variables that determine where one's racing sweet spot lies.

Trolled schmolled, I could give a flying F.

As for BMI, it's hard to argue with an R^2 of .97

Hmm. Possibly the greatest 800m runner in history and one of the greatest track athletes in history, and some think he can't run a decent 1500m. Wow.

PIL wrote:

Hmm. Possibly the greatest 800m runner in history and one of the greatest track athletes in history, and some think he can't run a decent 1500m. Wow.

Kipketer ran a few highly-publicized 1500s... how did he do?

Rudisha is 6' 3" and so is Kiprop.

ballz to da wallz wrote:

No way he breaks 3:30. He's more of a 400/800 type like gray/cruz etc.

Just look at his SIZE for christ's sake...imagine him running along the wraiths like kiprop/guerrouj/morceli....

went to a decent college wrote:

Kipketer ran a few highly-publicized 1500s... how did he do?

Aha. I'm sure you can tell me more about these "highly-publicized 1500s".

PIL wrote:

Hmm. Possibly the greatest 800m runner in history and one of the greatest track athletes in history, and some think he can't run a decent 1500m. Wow.

Possibly the greatest 800 runner? The man set the WR leading all the way, how is he not the greatest ever? Who could be considered better?

PIL wrote:

Hmm. Possibly the greatest 800m runner in history and one of the greatest track athletes in history, and some think he can't run a decent 1500m. Wow.

He's a speed based 800 guy. A 3:35 would be great for him. If he focused solely on the 1500 then he could run faster, but I don't see him ever breaking 3:30.