Can LR have a respectful conversation about Matt Llano's announcement?

I could care less about the physical act. What I'm opposed to is the idea that people who engage in this particular act are courageous heroes for publicly disclong this fact. Where did we get the idea that sounding off about your personal perversion entitloes you to respect & admiration??

I'm also opposed to the idea that people who prefer gay sex are somehow entitled to special consideration, i.e. preferential hiring by govt or admission to college over more qualified straight applicants.

I'm opposed to the idea that you can do whatever you like, then stick it in everyone's face - instead of leaving it in your bedroom - and demand society's endorsement that your behavious is 'normal'.

I'm opposed to gays demanding to be treated as married couples, when they violate the main part of the definition of marriage.

As far as asking if it's OK if my wife has sex with me, I think that's a revealing question. It reveals the utter lack of intellectual depth & reason of the questioner. It sounds like logic a 2nd grader might use and is frankly a little embarassing to read..

I'm opposed to gays playing the victim card & screaming 'discrimination' every time something doesn't go their way.

I'm opposed to gays demanding the military adapt to their lifestyle, compromising unit integrity and warfighting ability in the process.

I'm not in favor of condemning anyone for their behavior - but neither am I in favor of this forced PC applause we're all supposed to engage in when some homo 'comes out', like it's some sort of grown up merit badge..

wejo wrote:

nonsensical wrote:

Wejo -- Why do your respond to posts like that? The poster is either successfully trolling or is an idiot. I agree you don't need to delete the post, but the majority of us who recognize the writer is trolling or stupid do the world a favor by simply ignoring him (sorry to be SO sexist, but it's obviously a him).

If the guy is an idiot like you say, there are others like him so it's a chance to educate and make him think. Deleting the post doesn't change his view.

We really have no business condemning the penetration of any orifice of anyone by anyone, because we have done it, ourselves. Be it invovling underage boys, animals, drunk passed out people, rape victims, etc. Don't throw stones because you live in this glass house of sexual acts, and you are in no position to judge any sexual behavior by anyone.

Your previous post on this thread shows you actually do care about the physical act. If the physical act didn't bother you, you wouldn't be troubled by this thread or the coming out story.Aside from this, this post is full of fallacies. For one, because who share your dislike for gays, kids are getting bullied, at times to the point of suicide, because of kids being taught by ignorant people like you. This is the reason people come out in the media. To show others that they are not alone, to give them courage and strength to be who they are. If there were 100% tolerance and equality, there would be no coming out stories or Pride Parades. These gestures have a meaning. They are meant to show solidarity, both by gays and friends of gays. Only in 2003 did the final 14 states lose their sodomy laws due to the Supreme Court. Gays protest for a reason. Until we have equality, we will continue to protest. If you were denied basic rights, you would protest too.In what world are people given preferential hiring by the government or preferential admission into college? You are really really mentally out there to think this happens. Do you think the government or colleges ask about sexual orientation on their applications? Get real. Marriage has different meanings within different cultures. The man woman marriage rule was not given by divine power. It was given by homophobic people like yourself, and continues in many states to be upheld by homophobic people like yourself. Why do you care if gay people can marry? Does it lessen the significance of your marriage? It shouldn't. There are 1/2 the number of divorces as marriages in the US in any given year. This should lessen the significance of your marriage.What it comes down to is that you don't like gays. It would at least be helpful if you just admit it, and understand your dislike of gays leads to all the problems you have in the post you listed above. This country was founded on religious tolerance. This includes tolerance to those who are not religious. Without religion, there is nothing to say that homosexuality is wrong or a "perversion". Not everyone believes in the bible or God. The government should not have laws that affect the public that are based on religious values. This is why the courts will eventually take away state rights to deny marriage. Luckily, all the protesting lobbying, and plain common sense are prevailing, and ignorant, intolerant people like you are quickly becoming the minority.

Roy, you mention your gay friends who are just runners. If they were just runners they wouldn't be organizing gay pride 5k's. They are, and clearly want to be known as, gay runners. These events accomplish nothing other than grandstanding that you're gay. So what, you're gay. I'm not, should I be organizing hetero 5ks for dudes who watch football and drink too much? If gay people wanted all the hoopla over homosexuality to disappear maybe they should just live their life and shut up about being gay.

so gay people don't watch football and/or drink too much? lol

you can always catch the people who want to appear that they don't have a problem with gays, but then statments like this show you actually do.

A lot of races are associated with other festivities. So why not have a Pride 5k the morning of a Pride Parade?

It sounds like you are insulting him for being a closet homosexual. It's not easy for everyone to come out of the closet. That's why Matt Llano's announcement is significant. So why do you feel the need to insult closet homosexuals?

Whether you're gay or straight, you have poor reading comprehension. Show me the sentence where I claim gay people don't watch football or drink. I was being self-deprecatng, not that you would ever catch it. I could hold a 5k for a cause I care about, but like the Pride 5k's, nobody except the people putting it on would give a s**t. There you go, I spelled it out for you. And while we're at it, you wrongfully accuse somebody of not liking gay people. Aren't you doing exactly what you want people to stop doing to you?

saying you should organize a "hetero 5k for straight guys who watch football and drink beer" pretty much says that gays do not do these things.

I didn't wrongfully accuse you of not liking gay people. Its obvious you have a problem with them. And it what way am I doing what I want other people to stop doing?

I am not insulting closet homosexuals. I am insulting closet homosexuals who are in denial and feel the need to speak out against gays so they themselves appear straight. Like Larry Craig who backed legislation against gays but was foot taping under an airport stall.

blahhhhhhhh wrote:

It sounds like you are insulting him for being a closet homosexual. It's not easy for everyone to come out of the closet. That's why Matt Llano's announcement is significant. So why do you feel the need to insult closet homosexuals?

get used to it. wrote:

Do we really "know" the details of his sexual perversion or are you just fantasizing about it in your head? Closeted guys fantasize more about gay sex than gay men do. You apparently fall into this category. These thoughts must be driving you crazy.

saying you should organize a "hetero 5k for straight guys who watch football and drink beer" pretty much says that gays do not do these things.

Wow, you really are dense. My advice to you would be quit worrying so much about who is disrespecting you, and focus on bettering yourself. Begin with a reading comprehension course. Nobody here or anywhere else gives a s*it about who you're sleeping with. If you don't bring it up, or intentionally talk in a way that tells people you're gay, how would anybody even know?

The former University of Richmond Track & Field Team knew it all along.

you know damn well there is nothing wrong with my reading comprehension. Had you simply said "hetero 5k" it would not have been an issue, but you didn't. You added something about watching football and drinking beer, meaning gay guys don't do these things. This is not a reading comprehension issue. So I will go about my life. But today when I walk around and talk to people, I better not see any straight couples holding hands, kissing, hugging...and I will be damned if I hear any guys talk in a deep voice which would suggest they are straight. People just need to keep those things to themselves so no one knows they are straight.Idiot.

Lighten up Francis wrote:

saying you should organize a "hetero 5k for straight guys who watch football and drink beer" pretty much says that gays do not do these things.

Wow, you really are dense. My advice to you would be quit worrying so much about who is disrespecting you, and focus on bettering yourself. Begin with a reading comprehension course. Nobody here or anywhere else gives a s*it about who you're sleeping with. If you don't bring it up, or intentionally talk in a way that tells people you're gay, how would anybody even know?

get used to it. wrote:

... So why not have a Pride 5k the morning of a Pride Parade?

I take offense to homosexuals commandeering the word pride. Now times nothing can have pride in the name without it has to do with fagg0try. Makes me long for the days when you'd take the kids down to the pride parade to see the lions.

Homos have corrupted a lot of otherwise good, sexuality-neutral concepts. The word gay. The word fagg0t. Rainbows. I agree with those saying these people's out-coming should be ignored at best. Give them the same reaction as any non-homo would get, if they tried to make some big public production out of revealing their heterosexuality. Not all of this applause and scooby snacks bullshate. It doesn't only teach homo youth that they are not alone, it teaches non-homo youth that the way to get lavished with praise and attention is to associate oneself with sexual aberration.

Well, apparently most of Letsrun.com is capable of having a respectful responsible conversation.

The good news about the rest is that the bigots self-identify.

I used to think that Pride parades and public celebrating only hurt the gay cause, but I've begun to think differently. If gay people were perfectly accepted, they wouldn't be forced to find other members to identify and commiserate with. We still have discrimination in this country -- subtle, and not so subtle. And when you are told so often that who you are is wrong, then you need to find similar people to tell you you aren't.

I don't blame the gays for being open and out like this. Frankly, I blame the rest of society for making it so that these people have to work extra hard to reach out to the fringes of society so that someone who might be gay doesn't have to live through that subtle and not-so-subtle abuse and discrimination.

So from a guy who used to think Pride parades only made people angrier toward the gays -- I say we created this ourselves because society seems too focused on what people do in their bedrooms.

There is a reason we don't have "blue eye parades"... The blue-eyed ilk haven't been marginalized in society.

My two cents.

Kudos to the kid for coming out. Not easy I'm sure. Looking at Athlinks I don't see a lot of results for him. He does the 15k champs each year finishing in the top 20.

I find it interesting that you get so bent out of shape over a miscommunication of words between you and I. Meanwhile, others on this thread have real hatred toward the gay community and you don't bother to address them.

Congrats on being gay... u dumba$$. He's doesn't understand that nobody gives a sh*t about his useless life.

Do you see me writting a 10 page essay confirming I'm straight?

DW wrote:

Congrats on being gay... u dumba$$. He's doesn't understand that nobody gives a sh*t about his useless life.

Do you see me writting a 10 page essay confirming I'm straight?

Right.