said88 wrote:That's what this curious person always does, putting comments which are fitting his "theories" out of the context and lists them as gospel. If someone still hopes to get a rational answer from him, than: good luck to you!
you are dvd
kindly answer questions of
"norpoth delayed ryun"
"but ryun swung around norpoth on the curve"
he ran 1100 - 1200 in
~ 14.0
according to cordner
was it a straight-out-on-the-kerb 100m behind harold &/or bodo ?
it's a simple question
ekjfhg wrote:
"with legendary finish"? Where is that written?
idiot
36.5 last 300
11.6 on backstretch
on dirt
get that thru your head
ventolin^3 wrote:
skkd wrote:Prove this. Where do you get these 5 seconds from?beg/borrow/steal a 5 bucks casio
it's
1s/lap
for dirt -> '70s synthetic
I said prove. Not calculate. Where did you get 1s/lap for dirt from?
someone had to do it wrote:
ekjfhg wrote:"with legendary finish"? Where is that written?
idiot
36.5 last 300
11.6 on backstretch
on dirt
get that thru your head
Why you are pretending to be someone else Ventolin^3 is comical.
Your maths isn't too good either.
Said88 who has the dvd said his last 300 was 36.5 or 36.6, and he was all out for the last 300. His last 200 was 24.8, which means his back stretch 100m was 11.7-11.8 not 11.6.
His last 800m was 1:50.5, his last 700 1:34.6, so his last 800 had splits of 15.9, 44.1, 13.9, 11.8 and 24.8.
The only exceptional split in that race was the 100m stretch from 300 out. There are plenty of other examples of athletes running faster last 800s and 700s in a 3:38 race. And no, not all athletes' main aim is to blast the last 300m in the same way. The only way you could compare is to give other athletes the exact same pace for the first 1200m and then tell them to go all out.
Ovett is an excellent comparison to make as he ran an 11.9 100m stretch on the last lap of a 3:34 race. And he eased up in the last 100m. He could easily have run a 24.7 last 200m in that race.
Aouita is said to have run a 36.1 last 300m in a 3:34.8 race.
So what Ryun did is not without precedent.
Elmer Fudd wrote:
So what Ryun did is not without precedent.
I guess that depends on your definition of precedent
ook wrote:
Elmer Fudd wrote:So what Ryun did is not without precedent.
I guess that depends on your definition of precedent
Yes, you're right, probably wrong choice of word. At the time it clearly was, but there have been athletes since who could produce equally stunning split times in a race.
Elmer Fudd wrote:
Yes, you're right, probably wrong choice of word. At the time it clearly was, but there have been athletes since who could produce equally stunning split times in a race.
I'm just messing with you, I know what you meant. I suppose a better choice of words would be something like "Ryun isn't the only person to have done such a feat".
ook wrote:
Elmer Fudd wrote:Yes, you're right, probably wrong choice of word. At the time it clearly was, but there have been athletes since who could produce equally stunning split times in a race.
I'm just messing with you, I know what you meant. I suppose a better choice of words would be something like "Ryun isn't the only person to have done such a feat".
Actually, if you read back through the post, he mostly make claims about people who "could" have finished that fast for 300m but did not in fact do so.
All he comes up with for something that goes beyond "could" is the claim that Aouita "is said" to have finished in 36. But that has been disputed and there is no video to back it up, as there is with Ryun.
is this a parody thread
Jim Ryun’s Track & Field News World Rankings:
800/880
1966 — 1
1500/Mile
1965 — 4
1966 — 1
1967 — 1
1968 — 2
1969 — 7
1971 — 6
1972 — 9
Jim Ryun was the best middle distance runner in the world for two years, no more. Who are you going to believe? Track and Field News or a paranoid schizophrenic?
Elmer Fudd wrote:Said88 who has the dvd said his last 300 was 36.5 or 36.6, and he was all out for the last 300
from
"delayed"
etc, upto 300
His last 200 was 24.8, which means his back stretch 100m was 11.7-11.8 not 11.6
drivel
cordner's account is 24.8, which is not definitive
we have no idea what dvd-guy has for last 200
His last 800m was 1:50.5, his last 700 1:34.6, so his last 800 had splits of 15.9, 44.1, 13.9, 11.8 and 24.8
utter drivel
you have no clue about his last whatever splits apart from culling known records
why doesn't your peabrain tell us that a
15.9
then had
14.7 x 3 !!!
as for drivel about 11.8
let the dvd-guy talk about
cordner's
11.6
The only exceptional split in that race was the 100m stretch from 300 out. There are plenty of other examples of athletes running faster last 800s and 700s in a 3:38 race. And no, not all athletes' main aim is to blast the last 300m in the same way. The only way you could compare is to give other athletes the exact same pace for the first 1200m and then tell them to go all out
yes
but none have a 36.5+/11.6+ in a 3'38
on dirt
Ovett is an excellent comparison to make as he ran an 11.9 100m stretch on the last lap of a 3:34 race
you are joking
ovett ran a pathetic
54.2
ryun ran
50.5 !!!
on dirt
And he eased up in the last 100m. He could easily have run a 24.7 last 200m in that race
no
his last lap was rubbish
54.2
Aouita is said to have run a 36.1 last 300m in a 3:34.8 race
no record of this
another firenze ?
So what Ryun did is not without precedent
fetch the
36.5
hmm.. 3:38 on dirt, fast finish. Let's give that 12 seconds for the dirt and 4 seconds for the finish, to be reasonable.
is there any video of this race?
Realism wrote:
is there any video of this race?
on the old thread some guy named said88 claimed to have purchased the video from the meet organizers, and didnt want to put the video on Youtube for some douchey reason. He probably didn't even have the video and was just trolling, but the video is probably out there somewhere.
incredible last 300 and 400. was he really at 57 s/400 pace from 1100-1200? That seems slower than those kickers were capable of. Maybe his last lap was sub 50.
I still doubt the 1s slowdown on dirt. I'd think that with spikes the slowdown is more on the order of 1/2 s/lap. That would put Ryun's best mile at around 3:49, akin to Walker, and then if you add in pacers to 1200, you could argue for a 3:45-6, because Ryun was never pushed to the bell.
Ze German's had it destroyed.
I want to watch this race wrote:
Realism wrote:is there any video of this race?
on the old thread some guy named said88 claimed to have purchased the video from the meet organizers, and didnt want to put the video on Youtube for some douchey reason. He probably didn't even have the video and was just trolling, but the video is probably out there somewhere.
What a proof of human stupidity.
gump
It's much easier to appreciate this thread if you're older than 60--and alas I am! One of the things that that allows you to do is to compare what it was like running on dirt, clay, or cinder, as compared to a fast artificial surface. I had run on the cinders at Downing Stadium in NY, and that was fairly fast. But the first time I ran at Penn Relays on their artificial surface--wow: two seconds a lap faster. Now, what the actually difference is in most circumstances no one could really say. But it was faster, substantially faster. Something else to keep in mind. When Ryun was in his prime, he was in college. That meant X-C, indoors, and outdoors, including doubling, tripling, and a variety of dual meets. Ryun was an amateur, and there wasn't a professional circuit as we know it now. Also, there were no rabbits. How many guys have set the world record in the 1500 leading from the first step to the last? Finally, Bob Timmons was a good coach, but he overworked Ryun and burned him out. Ryun was an animal in every respect!
Montesquieu wrote:
How many guys have set the world record in the 1500 leading from the first step to the last?
Not many, Filbert Bayi for one, but certainly not Ryun who did not lead the entire race.