Here is a recap of Day 1.
Willis is sixth. Lagat last.
Anyone know how fast the Irish guy who is in the lead. SOmehow he's faster than both Willis and Lagat (in addition to being better at golf).
Here is a recap of Day 1.
Willis is sixth. Lagat last.
Anyone know how fast the Irish guy who is in the lead. SOmehow he's faster than both Willis and Lagat (in addition to being better at golf).
LetsRun.com wrote:
SOmehow he's faster than both Willis and Lagat (in addition to being better at golf).
He's faster because he's running a better golfer and therefore running a shorter distance.
This was better the the TV PGA stuff today.
Playing good golf speeds up the run time dramatically. Probably running the shortest distance, and fewer times stopping and regrouping to take a golf shot.
LetsRun.com wrote:
Here is a recap of Day 1.
Willis is sixth. Lagat last.
http://www.letsrun.com/news/2013/10/nick-willis-sixth-bernard-lagat-last-day-1-world-speed-golf-championships/Anyone know how fast the Irish guy who is in the lead. SOmehow he's faster than both Willis and Lagat (in addition to being better at golf).
Hogan makes up much of his time because he putts with one hand instead of putting his bag down every single time like the other guys do. He went second after Nick this morning and nearly caught him. Not much of a running background. Just very, very good at putting the two together.
That Nick will be at least in the top 3 tomorrow...
As for Lagat's special golf shoe, looks like they just added golf spikes to one of his heavy trainers. Instead, he should have just wore the Frees. No need to get fancy.
Gotye's Body Painter wrote:
Hogan makes up much of his time because he putts with one hand instead of putting his bag down every single time like the other guys do. He went second after Nick this morning and nearly caught him. Not much of a running background. Just very, very good at putting the two together.
Indeed you are right on the money about his running He just ran 30:12 for 5 miles in a race.
We got an email about the leader. Here is his running background:
an emailer wrote:
Rob is a member of Craughwell AC in Galway, Ireland:
http://www.craughwellac.com/site/index.php/senior-club-mainmenu-104/1242-good-luck-to-rob-in-the-world-championshipsRecently ran 30:12 for 5-mile in first road race:
https://www.facebook.com/kilconieron.charityrun/posts/152177938274174http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Robert+Hogan+Glenmuir+PGA+Professional+Championship+0CNV2xMwxrWl.jpg
It amazes me that someone who is only that fast can beat them at running.
I was so amazed i did the math.
I'm not sure exactly what tees they are playing but wikipedia says the Brandon Dunes Golf course in Oregon (which looks pretty sweet by the way) is 6732 yards. That's
3.825 to miles.
So to run that straight out in 39 minutes isn't hard. but to put 80 golf shots in there is.
If it takes him just 10 seconds a shot (which would be incredibly fast), then 80 shots takes about 13 minutes.
So you have 26 minutes left to rum 3.825 miles which would be 6:48 pace roughly. He must be very quick a hitting the ball.
a guy just shot an 85 with one club. amazing.
not to bust on other Internet streams, but does anyone find this coverage to be WAY better than what you get for internet track broadcasts.
gocd commentators, interviews. etc.
This is pretty good coverage.
Allan Phillips is my running coach. Great to see him out here today.
I have to agree, better than yesterday or better than trying to post here today...:)
Interesting that one of the commentators stated it would be little harder for the elite runners since they have to carry a bag/some clubs which could throw off their gait.
There are three components to fast times in Speedgolf. Running speed is, of course, very important. Shooting well also has an impact. The less obvious component is how quickly you golf. An example. If someone takes a practice swing 40 times in a round at, say, 5 seconds each, that's over 3 minutes lost. Hogan would set his bag down, step up to the ball, and hit. Others would set the bag down, look around, step up, shuffle their feet, waggle, etc. Also, you see some hit the drive, then bend over to pick up the tee. That's 2-4 seconds, 18 times.
Are there any rules for the number of clubs you can carry? Bag size? Sounds like you can leave your tee in the ground?
What is the time lapse between contestants starting? Obviously, a better/faster golfer can overtake someone not having a good day.
I also assume no one is waiting for someone to finish putting before hitting up.
Is it chaos out there?
I remember Steve Scott doing this a few times, must be fun.
Are there any rules for the number of clubs you can carry?
Rules of golf--14
Bag size?
No rules. Some people use no bag. I have one of the fancy speedgolf bags, but I use a canvas 'sunday bag'. It is lighter and the fancy bags have some minor issues.
Sounds like you can leave your tee in the ground?
Yes.
What is the time lapse between contestants starting?
Typically it's 4 minutes. For the Championships they were using 6 minutes.
Obviously, a better/faster golfer can overtake someone not having a good day.
Yes--we attempt to minimize this by having the faster players go first. For return players, this is pretty easy. It's not easy to tell of fast a first-time player will play.
I also assume no one is waiting for someone to finish putting before hitting up.
The passer has the right of way. He yells fore and hits.
Is it chaos out there?
No, not really, most of the time, there is no passing. At four minute intervals, that's usually > 1.5 holes between players.
I remember Steve Scott doing this a few times, must be fun.
It is a blast. The first few times you do it, you get going and all of a sudden you realize, hey, I'm on the 16th hole already.
Composer, thanks for the reply.
Can you give me a breakdown on how a hole might go? For instance, you hit off the tee, are you running from the get-go or waiting to see where the ball lands? Do you drop your bag, take a practice swing or just swing away? On the green, are you reading the green? Removing and replacing the flag?
Finally, at what point do you decide to just take a hack vs. taking too much time on a shot?
Fascinating.
Thanks again.
I found this pretty interesting; looks I like the guys doing well have figured out a few things out besides the golfing and running. I wonder how someone like Steve Holman would do, I've heard he is a pretty good golfer and still runs.
I run with Rob in craughwell ac, and have helped him with his running programs.
Just fyi when Rob ran that 30.12 in Feb he was just learning the running side of things - we had him on base work and it was pretty much his first race so he had to suffer the usual shock to the system and die a death. He has improved a lot since as training accumulated.
He's quite a talented runner with great heart/pain resistance. I would estimate that if he did a 5k he'd be low-17's at the moment. He needs the upper body strength for his main sport though. If he focused solely on the running for a year he would be well capable of a sub-16 imo, maybe even a 15:30. No Lagat or Willis - but no shame in that! I guess when it comes to speedgolf, they are no Hogan :)
Also like to add that he's a super guy, and we're all delighted for him back in the club.
Check out an interview with Rob from early this year on coach jeff:
http://www.coachjeff.com.au/2013/08/27/coach-jeff-podcast-348/
If you like to play golf, definitely consider giving speedgolf a try. Though humbling, this past weekend at Bandon Dunes was an incredible experience. There are so many facets and strategies to this very young sport that are yet to be discovered, and I have no doubt there are many runners out there who could be a force on the speedgolf circuit. Hopefully Lagat's and my participation in this year's event has other runners aware of the sport now, and the running community can be more strongly represented in the future.
A few things I took away from the event:
1. It is very exhausting (full body workout), and a perfect cross-training activity after a the track season is complete.
2. There is no ideal club selection strategy - find what works for you. Rob Hogan used a kid's putter to putt one-handed and Scott Gerwick used a 6 iron.
3. The best way to practice is to ask your local course if you can get on the back 9 holes before the first groups reach the turn.
4. It is addictive. After completing a golf round, you can always go back and think of the mistakes that could have been easily corrected. In speedgolf this is amplified tenfold.
Another UofM alum and Ann Arbor resident was in the field, and finished 9th. He and I are keen to put on an event in Michigan next year. Perhaps we can use it to help newcomers qualify for the world event. Watch this space....
Surely we can find some low single digit golfers on these boards who can run under 15mins for the 5k.
nick willis wrote:
Surely we can find some low single digit golfers on these boards who can run under 15mins for the 5k.
You can find loads of them on here, you'll find most the them make $250k+, have an IQ of 160 and can dunk a basketball too.
rojo wrote:
I'm not sure exactly what tees they are playing but wikipedia says the Brandon Dunes Golf course in Oregon (which looks pretty sweet by the way) is 6732 yards. That's
3.825 to miles.
So you have 26 minutes left to rum 3.825 miles which would be 6:48 pace roughly. He must be very quick a hitting the ball.
You run much farther than the distance on the scorecard, which measures a course from the tee to the middle of the green in a straight line. Although we would all like to think we hit the ball straight as an arrow and never miss a green, well . . . zigzagging left and right of the fairway as well as left, right and over the greens, etc. adds a considerable distance to total yards traversed.
Also consider the distance traveled in between holes. Although Bandon is a walker's course (no carts allowed - a beautiful thing) with holes relatively close to one another, you are still talking about anywhere from an additional 20 to 100 yards in between holes at a minimum. Mutliply that by 17 (50 x 17 as an average has you running an additional 1/2 mile) and you get the picture. You are running much, much more than 3.825 miles on a 6700 yard course. I would put it closer to 8 to 10k depending on how efficient you are out there. In any event, significantly faster than 6:48 pace. Granted, you get to rest a touch aerobically (not mentally though) while hitting shots, but I would guess these guys are running right around 5:00 pace or faster in between shots. Sounds pretty damn fun actually.
