oh please wrote:
Smell the Coffee Beans wrote:Sorry, I think Tony is full of it and pretends to always have the answer.
Genes, train hard, train smart, get rest, don't get injured, eat right. Either you have it or you don't.
If Hall trained with the Kenyans he would not be a 2:03 marathoner.
Case in point: Look at how many 2:07, 2:08, 2:09, 2:10 runners that they have in Kenyan and can't get down to 2:03/2:04 using the same methods. I've talked with these guys in Cleveland and Flint specifically, and trust me, they will tell you.
Not everyone who runs 2:08 can drop down to a legitimate 2:03/2:04.
Tony, you're wrong, again.
Genes are number one. Training hard doesn't work if you don't have the ability.
You're missing the point. The point was that Kenya has so many "207-215" guys because they train like they're going to break the world record, with guys that actually do break the world record, and they hit a ceiling during this time. Going for broke and most end up broke.
But maybe those "207" guys end up as 212 guys without that training. No one is saying by running in those groups you will run 205.
This is it exactly. That's not to say that Ritz and Hall are really 2:04 guys but training in a large group may get them there. It may not but it's certainly one aspect of training either has yet to explore. Of course everyone is limited by genetics but what would have thought of Cam Levins in high school? You would have thought that he'd end up being a maybe low 15 high 14 min guy in college and you would have been wrong.